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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 19:33, August 3, 2020
, 19:33, August 3, 2020→Answer from IndependentSkeptic ( 01:01, 3 August 2020 (EDT) ): heading
'''So'''—we propose a counter-question: Is the Bible the Word of God? Will you obey the Word of God?<br>We'll leave it at that for you to answer. We're just asking the simple question. We don't intend to stay and debate it since this is our final post on leaving Conservapedia. For us the answer seems obvious, so we won't be checking back for your response. We hope you have an answer, for the benefit of people who read this page. Peace be with you. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 01:01, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
'''So'''—we propose a counter-question: Is the Bible the Word of God? Will you obey the Word of God?<br>We'll leave it at that for you to answer. We're just asking the simple question. We don't intend to stay and debate it since this is our final post on leaving Conservapedia. For us the answer seems obvious, so we won't be checking back for your response. We hope you have an answer, for the benefit of people who read this page. Peace be with you. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 01:01, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
======Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium======
:Yes, we can see how 1 Peter 2:13-17 can be understood to refer to a [[theocratic]] form of government, combining both civil and spiritual authority (i.e., no [[separation of church and state]]), as Israel once was under Saul, David, Solomon, and their successors. But we also have this bitter pill to swallow - the testimony of [[Nebuchadnezzar]] recorded in the [[Book of Daniel]]:
:Yes, we can see how 1 Peter 2:13-17 can be understood to refer to a [[theocratic]] form of government, combining both civil and spiritual authority (i.e., no [[separation of church and state]]), as Israel once was under Saul, David, Solomon, and their successors. But we also have this bitter pill to swallow - the testimony of [[Nebuchadnezzar]] recorded in the [[Book of Daniel]]:
:*''This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent '''that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.'''''<ref>Daniel 4:17</ref>
:*''This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent '''that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.'''''<ref>Daniel 4:17</ref>