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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 15:14, August 9, 2020
, 15:14, August 9, 2020→Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium
:Question: When Jethro suggested to Moses to divide the people into captains of 10, captains of 50 and captains of 100, was that ordained by God, too? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
:Question: When Jethro suggested to Moses to divide the people into captains of 10, captains of 50 and captains of 100, was that ordained by God, too? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:55, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes. Jethro was a prophet of God, the priest of Midian, and Moses' father-in-law. "Honor thy father and thy mother" Exodus 18:17-23 "If thou shalt do this thing, '''and God command thee ''so'''''..." v.23. God commanded him so, for he did it. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes. Jethro was a prophet of God, the priest of Midian, and Moses' father-in-law. "Honor thy father and thy mother" Exodus 18:17-23 "If thou shalt do this thing, '''and God command thee ''so'''''..." v.23. God commanded him so, for he did it. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Wow. It was the Midianites who sold Joesph into slavery in Egypt, now on the reverse journey out of Egypt suddenly God is speaking through the mouth of a Midianite priest after which God commands
:::*'''Numbers 31:7''' - ''And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:14, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::*''Genesis 17:19''' - ''God said, “No, but Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him.''
:::You appear to be using God to justify sin.
:Third question: Did God command David to build the Temple? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:01, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
:Third question: Did God command David to build the Temple? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:01, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
::By Nathan the prophet God told David that his son "shall" build him a temple ("shall" is a command: "thou shalt..."). And David made all the preparations (1 Chronicles 28:11-10 "all this he made clear by the writing of the Lord concerning it" v.19). By Gad the prophet God told David to build an altar to the Lord on the threshing floor of Ornan/Araunah. He continued to offer sacrifices there. And it was there the temple was built. 2 Samuel 7:4, 12-13; 24:18, 25; 1 Chronicles 28:6, 20; 2 Chronicles 3:1 --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::By Nathan the prophet God told David that his son "shall" build him a temple ("shall" is a command: "thou shalt..."). And David made all the preparations (1 Chronicles 28:11-10 "all this he made clear by the writing of the Lord concerning it" v.19). By Gad the prophet God told David to build an altar to the Lord on the threshing floor of Ornan/Araunah. He continued to offer sacrifices there. And it was there the temple was built. 2 Samuel 7:4, 12-13; 24:18, 25; 1 Chronicles 28:6, 20; 2 Chronicles 3:1 --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::*'''2 Samuel 7:4-7''' - ''4 But that same night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, 5 “Go and tell my servant David, ‘Thus says the Lord: Would you build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not lived in a house since the day I brought up the people of Israel from Egypt to this day, but I have been moving about in a tent for my dwelling. 7 In all places where I have moved with all the people of Israel, did I speak a word with any of the judges[a] of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, saying, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’''
:Your use of scripture appears to bear out the meaning of 2 Corinthians 3:6,
:*''The letter killeth, the spirit gives life.''
:All these actions were a bit presumptuous on the part of godly men, Moses, Abraham, and David. They were decisions made by men, acting in the flesh without the spirit of God. All had serious longterm consequences as the result of sin. Now we understand a bit more what Paul means by apt to teach, rightly dividing he word of truth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:14, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
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