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Talk:Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
Revision as of 16:18, September 4, 2020
, 16:18, September 4, 2020→Misleading RobSmith commentary - 1 Kings 11:12-13 "turn away" - and "preacher of the gospel" applied to himself 2Tm 2:7; 2 Co 10:14; 2Tm 5:17-18
::I see the wreckage of human lives you create with your catechism and infant baptism. God has called me to clean up the messes you guys make. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:47, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
::I see the wreckage of human lives you create with your catechism and infant baptism. God has called me to clean up the messes you guys make. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:47, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
:You are misleading again, by a lying implication. You are actually saying, that these prisoners' ignorance of the faith and their sin is the doctrine of the Church! That is a lie. They chose to be ignorant, to do as they pleased, to rebel against their upbringing, to sin against the preaching of the Church and her holy doctrine, to dishonor their parents and grieve them in spite of their pleading to get out of the gangs and come back to the faith of the holy saints and angels. I know. I've heard them. <br>There are also Catholic prison chaplains, ordained to ministry and reconciliation, who are expert in scripture and are devout followers of Jesus Christ. You suggestively imply that not one of them is in the prisons ministering to Hispanic Roman Catholic gangbangers by exposing them again to God's truth and God's word of reconciliation and healing that they heard in their parochial schools and at Mass. You impugn their ministry. Your deceitful interpretations of the word of God are misleading them away from the fullness of truth into a distortion of the truth of the Bible, the same Bible which led me and Dataclarifier from Protestantism into the Catholic Church as the most biblical Church on the face of the earth having the Fullness of the Gospel, not a distorted shriveled "withered" part of it—as NishantXavier said, maybe "50%, 80%, or even 90%" '''but not all of the truth revealed by God'''. <br>'''Answer!'''. Are you a fully accredited acknowledged officially ordained preacher of the gospel associated with any recognized established Christian ministry organization, congregation, sect, church, or denomination—or are you conducting your own personal ministry as a layman? '''Don't ignore the question! Are you a legitimately ordained minister of the gospel? Are you a Catholic? ''Are you an ordained Catholic preacher of the gospel?'' Don't try to squirm out of answering with a direct "yes" or "no".''' Dataclarifier and I are sure we know the answer (so does his mother). --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:07, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
:You are misleading again, by a lying implication. You are actually saying, that these prisoners' ignorance of the faith and their sin is the doctrine of the Church! That is a lie. They chose to be ignorant, to do as they pleased, to rebel against their upbringing, to sin against the preaching of the Church and her holy doctrine, to dishonor their parents and grieve them in spite of their pleading to get out of the gangs and come back to the faith of the holy saints and angels. I know. I've heard them. <br>There are also Catholic prison chaplains, ordained to ministry and reconciliation, who are expert in scripture and are devout followers of Jesus Christ. You suggestively imply that not one of them is in the prisons ministering to Hispanic Roman Catholic gangbangers by exposing them again to God's truth and God's word of reconciliation and healing that they heard in their parochial schools and at Mass. You impugn their ministry. Your deceitful interpretations of the word of God are misleading them away from the fullness of truth into a distortion of the truth of the Bible, the same Bible which led me and Dataclarifier from Protestantism into the Catholic Church as the most biblical Church on the face of the earth having the Fullness of the Gospel, not a distorted shriveled "withered" part of it—as NishantXavier said, maybe "50%, 80%, or even 90%" '''but not all of the truth revealed by God'''. <br>'''Answer!'''. Are you a fully accredited acknowledged officially ordained preacher of the gospel associated with any recognized established Christian ministry organization, congregation, sect, church, or denomination—or are you conducting your own personal ministry as a layman? '''Don't ignore the question! Are you a legitimately ordained minister of the gospel? Are you a Catholic? ''Are you an ordained Catholic preacher of the gospel?'' Don't try to squirm out of answering with a direct "yes" or "no".''' Dataclarifier and I are sure we know the answer (so does his mother). --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:07, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
:(ec) I have witnessed miracles of changed lives. The gangbangers, like me, were instructed from an early age '''''not''''' to read the bible, '''''not''''' hear instruction from the bible, and were taught that they already had been adopted into God's family and received the Holy Ghost a infant baptism. (What you say about Catholic prison miniseries is irrelevant to what we are discussing here). These gangbangers tell me, without solicitation, that they had been lied to by their the Roman church and their parents.
:*''Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness''
:This verse is meaningless to someone who is told they have already been adopted into God's family as an infant. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:18, 4 September 2020 (EDT)