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:::As always, misleading and false. They, like you, were taught from the Bible in their religion classes—''unless they refused to listen, even running away to go join a gang''. That teaching from the Bible in religion class by the sisters and brothers and priests was and is the pedagogy of the parochial schools since the beginning of the 19th century, so they ''were'' taught the Bible as the word of God and the whole faith of the Church as established by God with authority. Private reading leads to private interpretation. That's dangerous. It can lead to destruction and being led into error by lawless men (those who twist the doctrines of the scriptures and lean on their own understanding), and into falling from '''''security in holding to the faith by the knowledge of Jesus Christ''''', as Peter warned (2 Peter 1:20–2:3; 3:15-18). The devil quotes scripture too. That's why they were told not to read the Bible (for themselves). But anyone who really wants to know the truth will finally find it, just as we did, in the Catholic Church, and find the way of holiness by "partaking of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:3-11—''read it!''). And anyone among us who leads a sinner back from the error of his way will save a soul from death. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:40, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

:::As always, misleading and false. They, like you, were taught from the Bible in their religion classes—''unless they refused to listen, even running away to go join a gang''. That teaching from the Bible in religion class by the sisters and brothers and priests was and is the pedagogy of the parochial schools since the beginning of the 19th century, so they ''were'' taught the Bible as the word of God and the whole faith of the Church as established by God with authority. Private reading leads to private interpretation. That's dangerous. It can lead to destruction and being led into error by lawless men (those who twist the doctrines of the scriptures and lean on their own understanding), and into falling from '''''security in holding to the faith by the knowledge of Jesus Christ''''', as Peter warned (2 Peter 1:20–2:3; 3:15-18). The devil quotes scripture too. That's why they were told not to read the Bible (for themselves). But anyone who really wants to know the truth will finally find it, just as we did, in the Catholic Church, and find the way of holiness by "partaking of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:3-11—''read it!''). And anyone among us who leads a sinner back from the error of his way will save a soul from death. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:40, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

::::'''''Stop continually provoking more debate on this talk page''. This is not the place. You locked the page to prevent more debate, but you perpetuate it here. <br><big>You have our answer. That should have been enough!</big> <br>But you continue to spam more distortions and misrepresentations that beg for correction. You just won't let it lay down and rest. You just have to have the [[Last wordism|Last word]] with more unjustified [[libel]] and misquoting scripture out of context. <br> And I quote: "At worst, it''' [having the last word] '''reflects a lack of personal responsibility or bullying, which is a characteristic of wrongdoing or sinfulness."''' <br> '''''Enough!''''' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:56, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br>We add that both Dataclarifier and I independently made inquiries and found that without exception '''a Bible was provided as a fundamental required teaching resource at every desk in <big>every</big> parochial school''', and in the religion classes the teachers and students together read from both it and the catechism. Problem was, some students didn't care and were not interested, too bored with school to listen. So, they felt no need to hunger and thirst after righteousness. Not the Church's fault, nor their teachers'. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:27, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

::::'''''Stop continually provoking more debate on this talk page''. This is not the place. You locked the page to prevent more debate, but you perpetuate it here. <br><big>You have our answer. That should have been enough!</big> <br>But you continue to spam more distortions and misrepresentations that beg for correction. You just won't let it lay down and rest. You just have to have the [[Last wordism|Last word]] with more unjustified [[libel]] and misquoting scripture out of context. <br> And I quote: "At worst, it''' [having the last word] '''reflects a lack of personal responsibility or bullying, which is a characteristic of wrongdoing or sinfulness."''' <br> '''''Enough!''''' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 12:56, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br>We add that both Dataclarifier and I independently made inquiries and found that without exception '''a Bible was provided as a fundamental required teaching resource at every desk in <big>every</big> parochial school''', and in the religion classes the teachers and students together read from both it and the catechism. Problem was, some students didn't care and were not interested, too bored with school to listen. So, they felt no need to hunger and thirst after righteousness. Not the Church's fault, nor their teachers'. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:27, 4 September 2020 (EDT)<br>You never mentioned the numbers of criminals and gangbangers with Protestant Bible-believing backgrounds in prison '''who relied on being saved by faith alone''', who were told that there is therefore now no condemnation for all eternity for any sin they might commit, past, present, and future, "because they were in Christ and freed from the law of sin and death", and gave testimony and were baptized, and later '''rebelled against their parents, the Bible, and forgot what they had been taught by their pastors in their churches''', and now in prison have come back to the Bible. "But they were saved!" (Once). And they're from all races, Hispanic, White, Black, Brown, Red. '''Protestants! Fundamentalists!''' (Once upon a time). I know about all this, because I was Disciples of Christ, and Dataclarifier was a fundamental Baptist. And we both "got away with sin" for too long, until we read more of the Bible and saw that we couldn't rely for our eternal salvation on the fact once and for all that we had professed Jesus Christ as our own personal Savior. Both of us have committed jailable offenses worthy of long terms in prison that no one else knows about. (Difference is, we got away with it, but '''no more'''.) That's no different than what you said about those Hispanic Roman Catholics baptized as babies. Other prisoners guilty of horrible acts have been once saved, and did what they did '''anyway!''' Look at the news about so many privileged white kids growing up in Bible-believing homes and churches in their youth who threw it all off to commit in secret monstrous crimes of passion and corruption, but got caught later and brought shame to their families, and grief to the innocents they preyed on, and their families. So much for [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Your blaming Catholicism and Infant Baptism for their gang raping activities is a crock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::What a farce! The 7th & 8h grade classrooms I and my brother attended at St. Thomas Aquanis school did not have ''any'' bibles until my father donated two with inscriptions dedicated to my dead mother. They may still be there, and have probably never been opened since the day they were dedicated more than 50 years ago.  Neither did the grade 1-6 classrooms me and my 3 older brothers went through have a single bible, and probably still don't.  Likewise, the larger bible my father donated to St. Mary's school in Burlington, Wisconsin is probably still the only bible in the entire school, which included a high school. And my mother who taught there knew nothing of the bible outside Catholic doctrine, and certainly never conducted a bible class.  I had to learn it after she was dead.  

:::::What a farce! The 7th & 8h grade classrooms I and my brother attended at St. Thomas Aquanis school did not have ''any'' bibles until my father donated two with inscriptions dedicated to my dead mother. They may still be there, and have probably never been opened since the day they were dedicated more than 50 years ago.  Neither did the grade 1-6 classrooms me and my 3 older brothers went through have a single bible, and probably still don't.  Likewise, the larger bible my father donated to St. Mary's school in Burlington, Wisconsin is probably still the only bible in the entire school, which included a high school. And my mother who taught there knew nothing of the bible outside Catholic doctrine, and certainly never conducted a bible class.  I had to learn it after she was dead.  

:::::Likewise, in the town I live now, where I am involved with several homeless ministries, Catholic Charities is right across the street from the Baptist Rescue Mission. The Baptists give out bible's of all sizes like candy in Spanish and English, whereas you can't find a bible within the four walls of the Catholic ministry if your life dependent on it. Don't give me this crap that Catholics teach or respect the bible. They don't. They fear the bible, as righty they should. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 14:01, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::Likewise, in the town I live now, where I am involved with several homeless ministries, Catholic Charities is right across the street from the Baptist Rescue Mission. The Baptists give out bible's of all sizes like candy in Spanish and English, whereas you can't find a bible within the four walls of the Catholic ministry if your life dependent on it. Don't give me this crap that Catholics teach or respect the bible. They don't. They fear the bible, as righty they should. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 14:01, 4 September 2020 (EDT)