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Debate:If most Muslims learned their religion from their parents, just like us Christians, they will probably be hard to convert. So what can we do to save their souls? (view source)
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We install huge, huge, speakers the size of a Hummer (That's grotesquely huge), all over the Persian/Arabian land and then...we pump out good ole' '''SOUL''' beats...Marvin Gaye, you know what I'm talking about?--[[User:Markos88|Markos88]] 22:38, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
We install huge, huge, speakers the size of a Hummer (That's grotesquely huge), all over the Persian/Arabian land and then...we pump out good ole' '''SOUL''' beats...Marvin Gaye, you know what I'm talking about?--[[User:Markos88|Markos88]] 22:38, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
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I don't know exactly what sub-category to put this under, but "why" seems closest.
I don't see why people can believe that people will be forgiven if there lack of faith is through no fault of their own, and say that atheism does not fall under this category. The way I see it, atheists do not see the Bible as the word of God, it is through no fault of their own. There are so many valid arguments against the idea that make perfectly logical sense, and supports the idea that there is no reason to believe that what Christians believe, that the bible is the word of God and that god exists as stated by the bible, is true. Basic logic tells us that not to be Christian or believe in the bible and a Christian God is perfectly justified. And before anybody says that is because God is providing us with valid reasons not to follow the scriptures as a test of our faith, why on earth are atheists punishable for being convinced by overwhelming evidence which God himself (you say) is intentionally convincing them is valid? How is reasonably not following God any fault of their own when God himself is reasoning with them not to follow Him? For example, Atheists pose the question: Isn't God, by not showing us incontrovertibly that He is real, condemning millions to hell who would otherwise convert? Time after time I hear fellow Christians answer: Because he is testing our faith, and giving us the free will to make the choice for ourselves because you know the bible exists and are therefore accountable etc. But I still believe that this question is totally valid and this answer is weak. Surely, in the case of the atheists question, if God does not prove to them, atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, even primitive tribes, then He is giving them perfectly reasonable grounds to believe that the Christian answer is not the case, and he is in fact simply not there. To me, this seems like an unarguably relevant possibility. I believe that the only reason that we believe He is there is because we choose to accept the axiom that God exists and the Bible is the word of God. Regardless of our individual spiritual reasons for following the Bible, disregard that axiom (as God allows Atheists justified reasoning to do) and there is little other reason. If Atheism is wrong, then just like any other view on religion it cannot be held accountable or punishable. Am I wrong? [[User:vonfalkenhayn|vonfalkenhayn]] 23:02 30 April 2009 (EST)