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::::*'''Any one who goes beyond and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God'''
::::*'''Any one who goes beyond and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God'''
::::The Doctrine of Christ is the Doctrine of the Catholic Church. The Doctrine of the Catholic Church is the Doctrine of Christ. The authoritative doctrines of the Catholic Church are '''''not''''' non-scriptural: the authoritative doctrines of the Catholic Church are '''''not''''' anti-scriptural. The [[Magisterium|Teaching authority]] of the Church to publish doctrinal teachings and to clarify and authoritatively interpret scripture and establish the [[Nicene Creed]] and [[Athanasian Creed]] is scripturally established by Scripture Itself. This is not circular reasoning. The authority of the Church Jesus established firmly on a Rock is based not on the Bible but on what eyewitnesses to Jesus taught, based solely on his and their authority to teach, authority from God, a doctrine plainly recorded in the Bible, as shown above (''twice'').
::::The Doctrine of Christ is the Doctrine of the Catholic Church. The Doctrine of the Catholic Church is the Doctrine of Christ. The authoritative doctrines of the Catholic Church are '''''not''''' non-scriptural: the authoritative doctrines of the Catholic Church are '''''not''''' anti-scriptural. The [[Magisterium|Teaching authority]] of the Church to publish doctrinal teachings and to clarify and authoritatively interpret scripture and establish the [[Nicene Creed]] and [[Athanasian Creed]] is scripturally established by Scripture Itself. This is not circular reasoning. The authority of the Church Jesus established firmly on a Rock is based not on the Bible but on what eyewitnesses to Jesus taught, based solely on his and their authority to teach, authority from God, a doctrine plainly recorded in the Bible, as shown above (''twice'').
::::Your own comments and interpretations oppose the Doctrine of Christ regarding the Church—you oppose His Own Words about the Church. <br>Your own comments and sophist insinuations and interpretations of the Bible divorced from the whole context of the Bible, in order to make it seem to say what it does not say as a whole, are examples of [[Cafeteria Christianity]] based entirely on a [[specious reasoning]] hostile to the authority of the Church and ''even by your own standards of "validity"'' are "man-made". By your own standard of demanding "scripture only" your own words are outside of scripture and have been added to scripture, and by your own argument your own words therefore have no authority, and by your own standards they are "man's opinions" and therefore ''by your own standard of going only by the Bible your comments have absolutely no validity!'' '''[[Hypocrites|Hypocrite]]!''' <br>By rights you should make no comment at all. Just quote scripture. You don't. You add to Scripture. You suggestively imply that the Bible opposes the Church, the Church supported by the Bible in establishing its divine authority established by God, and you oppose what God has established. You condemn yourself on that basis alone, a standard you yourself have set up and have constantly violated. '''You yourself go beyond the Doctrine of Christ because you go beyond and outside of the Doctrine of the Church by your anti-catholic opposition to the Church.'''
::::Your own comments and interpretations oppose the Doctrine of Christ regarding the Church—you oppose His Own Words about the Church. <br>Your own comments and sophist insinuations and interpretations of the Bible divorced from the whole context of the Bible, in order to make it seem to say what it does not say as a whole, are examples of [[Cafeteria Christianity]] based entirely on a [[specious reasoning]] hostile to the authority of the Church and ''even by your own standards of "validity"'' are "man-made". By your own standard of demanding "scripture only" your own words are outside of scripture and have been added to scripture, and by your own argument your own words therefore have no authority, and by your own standards they are "man's opinions" and therefore ''by your own standard of going only by the Bible your comments have absolutely no validity!'' '''[[Hypocrites|Hypocrite]]!''' <br>By rights you should make no comment at all. Just quote scripture.
{{quotebox|''And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
''2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
''3 For ye are yet carnal''}}
::::::You don't. You add to Scripture. You suggestively imply that the Bible opposes the Church, the Church supported by the Bible in establishing its divine authority established by God, and you oppose what God has established. You condemn yourself on that basis alone, a standard you yourself have set up and have constantly violated. '''You yourself go beyond the Doctrine of Christ because you go beyond and outside of the Doctrine of the Church by your anti-catholic opposition to the Church.'''
::::::*''The worst are anti-catholic Protestants. You have no charity or truth in you.''
::::::*''The worst are anti-catholic Protestants. You have no charity or truth in you.''
::::(''It Burns, doesn't it!'') <br>Catholics believe the Bible, they believe Jesus' words, they obey the Church, and all that the Church has revealed and taught from God the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:16; Jn 16:12-15), because God has taught '''''the Doctrine of Christ that we are to listen to and obey the Church, in all things having to do with faith and morals.''''' I believe the scriptures, that's why I came to believe in the Catholic Church and why I've been accepted into the Catholic Church as a member of the Body of Christ by the holy baptism of water and the Spirit without which no one can enter the Kingdom of God. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 17:16, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
::::(''It Burns, doesn't it!'') <br>Catholics believe the Bible, they believe Jesus' words, they obey the Church, and all that the Church has revealed and taught from God the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:16; Jn 16:12-15), because God has taught '''''the Doctrine of Christ that we are to listen to and obey the Church, in all things having to do with faith and morals.''''' I believe the scriptures, that's why I came to believe in the Catholic Church and why I've been accepted into the Catholic Church as a member of the Body of Christ by the holy baptism of water and the Spirit without which no one can enter the Kingdom of God. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 17:16, 10 July 2020 (EDT)