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Two baseball sites, [http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=sundabi01 Baseball Almanac], [http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sundabi01.shtml Baseballreference.com] give his baseball career as lasting only from 1883 to 1890. I haven't yet figured out how to reconcile this with the statements on the [http://billysunday.org/timeline.php3 timeline] at billysunday.org: "1891: Sunday sets record of 90 bases stolen in 116 games." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 08:49, 13 June 2007 (EDT) | Two baseball sites, [http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=sundabi01 Baseball Almanac], [http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sundabi01.shtml Baseballreference.com] give his baseball career as lasting only from 1883 to 1890. I haven't yet figured out how to reconcile this with the statements on the [http://billysunday.org/timeline.php3 timeline] at billysunday.org: "1891: Sunday sets record of 90 bases stolen in 116 games." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 08:49, 13 June 2007 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::Sunday quit baseball after the 1890 season; by the start of the 1891 season, he was working for the Chicago YMCA. As for the stolen bases numbers, they are a little problematic. Stolen bases weren't recorded until 1887, and even then there wasn't an immediate consensus on the criteria for what constituted a steal. Sunday's best number in a season (1890) was 84; the all-time record for stolen bases in a single season is 138. His standing all-time is insignificant, That having been said, however, it's really not all that useful to compare players from different eras with just the numbers, since conditions in the 1880s were vastly different from, say, post WWII. For 19th century players, it seems to me to be most useful to compare players to their peers. In his own era, Sunday never ranked higher than 3rd in the National League. For the record, once SBs began being recorded, Sunday stole 34 bases in 1887, 71 in 1888 (3rd in NL), 47 in 1888 (8th in NL), and 84 in 1890 (3rd in NL). He lost parts of some seasons due to injuries, and I have no doubt that he could have been the league leader in one of those seasons if he hadn't gotten hurt. But that's the way it goes. As an aside, the early Sunday biographies are generally inaccurate about his baseball career. You'd be better off baseball sources if you want to be accurate here.--[[User:Leansleft|Leansleft]] 10:19, 29 June 2007 (EDT) | ||
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1891 base-stealing?
Two baseball sites, Baseball Almanac, Baseballreference.com give his baseball career as lasting only from 1883 to 1890. I haven't yet figured out how to reconcile this with the statements on the timeline at billysunday.org: "1891: Sunday sets record of 90 bases stolen in 116 games." Dpbsmith 08:49, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
- Sunday quit baseball after the 1890 season; by the start of the 1891 season, he was working for the Chicago YMCA. As for the stolen bases numbers, they are a little problematic. Stolen bases weren't recorded until 1887, and even then there wasn't an immediate consensus on the criteria for what constituted a steal. Sunday's best number in a season (1890) was 84; the all-time record for stolen bases in a single season is 138. His standing all-time is insignificant, That having been said, however, it's really not all that useful to compare players from different eras with just the numbers, since conditions in the 1880s were vastly different from, say, post WWII. For 19th century players, it seems to me to be most useful to compare players to their peers. In his own era, Sunday never ranked higher than 3rd in the National League. For the record, once SBs began being recorded, Sunday stole 34 bases in 1887, 71 in 1888 (3rd in NL), 47 in 1888 (8th in NL), and 84 in 1890 (3rd in NL). He lost parts of some seasons due to injuries, and I have no doubt that he could have been the league leader in one of those seasons if he hadn't gotten hurt. But that's the way it goes. As an aside, the early Sunday biographies are generally inaccurate about his baseball career. You'd be better off baseball sources if you want to be accurate here.--Leansleft 10:19, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
