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I don't think Ivan IV was the first czar of Russia.[[User:Oldoligarch|Oldoligarch]] 11:48, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

:See [http://www.mistsofrussia.info/prehistory/pharaohs.php]. [http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Tsar/id/2047366], [http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:SsukZIWIEpkJ:www.usd322.org/pages/uploaded_files/Czar.ppt+ivan+IV+first+csar&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=uk], [http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b2ivanIV.htm] among many others. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 18:05, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

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I see.[[User:Oldoligarch|Oldoligarch]] 11:27, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

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