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::Now about "peer review": I have the direct experience of "peer review." "Peer review" means a bunch of guys sitting around a table and asking each other, "Is this guy for real, or are his theories just flat-out too outrageous to be true?" And contrary to what you might think--and I know this because I've been there--"peer reviewers" are human, too, and they have a human weakness: that they always seek consensus, because they're not willing to think for themselves. And so a creationist submits a paper, and nobody wants even to review it, because his theories are too outrageous for them even to admit the possibilities. Nothing nefarious (well, sometimes it is, but not usually); just a case of "[[Your theory does not work under my theory, so your theory must be wrong|His theory cannot possibly work under our theories, and so his theory must be wrong]]."
 
::Now about "peer review": I have the direct experience of "peer review." "Peer review" means a bunch of guys sitting around a table and asking each other, "Is this guy for real, or are his theories just flat-out too outrageous to be true?" And contrary to what you might think--and I know this because I've been there--"peer reviewers" are human, too, and they have a human weakness: that they always seek consensus, because they're not willing to think for themselves. And so a creationist submits a paper, and nobody wants even to review it, because his theories are too outrageous for them even to admit the possibilities. Nothing nefarious (well, sometimes it is, but not usually); just a case of "[[Your theory does not work under my theory, so your theory must be wrong|His theory cannot possibly work under our theories, and so his theory must be wrong]]."
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That one [[logical fallacy]] has blinded more men to more great scientific discoveries than has any other. It's really simple to fall into through no fault of one's own. It blinded me, too, for many years, until--well, [[John Newman]], the former slave trader, said it best, didn't he? "I once was lost, but now am found;/Was blind, but now I see."--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
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::That one [[logical fallacy]] has blinded more men to more great scientific discoveries than has any other. It's really simple to fall into through no fault of one's own. It blinded me, too, for many years, until--well, [[John Newman]], the former slave trader, said it best, didn't he? "I once was lost, but now am found;/Was blind, but now I see."--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 21:40, 6 July 2007 (EDT)
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:::I don't understand all the physics and maths behind Humphreys' model, but I don't think it's true to say that originally there was no "time" dimension.  Rather, time was almost stationary (or went backward?).  And you mean [[John Newton]], not Newman.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 00:33, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
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