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And there is still more evidence that Moses wasn't the only author. For example that the Pentateuch describes his death, and events that happened afterwards, and the fact that the books use names for biblical places that weren't used in the time of Moses, but only centuries later. However, we work as agreed to work under the assumption that the audience at the when it written was able to understand it, which means it should have been written when those names were actually used. Of course, we cannot go back in time an check it, nor do we have eyewitness accounts, but neither have you.
And there is still more evidence that Moses wasn't the only author. For example that the Pentateuch describes his death, and events that happened afterwards, and the fact that the books use names for biblical places that weren't used in the time of Moses, but only centuries later. However, we work as agreed to work under the assumption that the audience at the when it written was able to understand it, which means it should have been written when those names were actually used. Of course, we cannot go back in time an check it, nor do we have eyewitness accounts, but neither have you.
And you can claim that there were ghostwriters, you should be a bit more specific. An eyewitness account which is passed down through works of unknown a ghostwriters isn't an eyewitness account anymore. If you explanation would be anymore vague, it could also apply to urban legends. [[User:Order|Order]] 09:31, 10 December 2007 (EST)
And you can claim that there were ghostwriters, you should be a bit more specific. An eyewitness account which is passed down through works of unknown a ghostwriters isn't an eyewitness account anymore. If you explanation would be anymore vague, it could also apply to urban legends. [[User:Order|Order]] 09:31, 10 December 2007 (EST)
: The colophon can be translated in a number of ways. Regardless of the precise wording, the ''purpose'' was apparently as a signature, indicating that the account was by Adam.
: I mentioned that the colophon was at the ''end'' of the account. The line from Adam's sons to Noah is the ''next'' account, not Adam's account.
: I don't think that I know better than the traditional view, generally speaking. As a creationist I believe that Adam was created perfect and that we, his descendants, have accumulated a host of genetic errors and have deteriorated. So he was smarter than us, although we have the benefit accumulated knowledge. As a rule, therefore, I defer to the sources nearer the original than the present, unlike many modern scholars who, adopting an evolutionary assumption, think that man has improved rather than deteriorated, and that we therefore are more likely to come up with the correct answer than those that went before us.
: Claiming that a given author might change his style over time I consider to be self-evident, because I myself have done it! And that's over a space of fewer years than Moses was leading the Israelites.
: Clearly Moses didn't write the part about his own death, but that says nothing about him not writing the rest. That very argument (that he didn't write his death) was used by Thomas Paine in ''Age of Reason'', yet Paine himself admitted in a later edition of his book that the previous edition of his book contained something that he didn't write! That is clearly a silly argument. The Pentateuch describes nothing or next to nothing after his death.
: I believe that the claim that the books use names that were only in use later is probably fallacious, just as the claim that writing wasn't invented at the time was fallacious. If you give me specifics, I'll try and check that out further. There is the possibility, though, that a later editor did update some place names.
: The "ghostwriters" (note that I put it in quote marks) were people like Moses, who wrote under God's inspiration. It was their own words and style, but with God's guidance and guarantee of accuracy. The term "ghostwriters" in this case does not mean that their names are not known.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:13, 10 December 2007 (EST)
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