Difference between revisions of "Talk:Wikipedia"

Revision as of 23:22, March 14, 2007

Sources

If you follow the link to Cecil DeMille's wikipedia entry you'll notice that the trivia section is gone ... you should be careful to use references that are constantly being updated as they might not always prove your point. Another case of being careful what you quote: here's an article saying 51% believe god created humans, 30% say humans evolved w/ God's help and 15% say we evolved w/o God. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml Polls aren't generally scientific and as shown by the edits to this entry you can find all sorts of different percentages for who believes what. Jrssr5 14:04, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

"The wikipedia entry accuses Conservapedia of having its own bias..." How ridiculous. How would a place called "Conservapedia" POSSIBLY have any sort of "bias"? (What's the wiki tag for 'sarcasm'?) --Sandbagger 16:22, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

The poll cited for belief by the US public in evolution needs to be updated. It's almost a decade old. Harris has one from 2005. [1] --Dave3172 18:46, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Is there a more credible source for that 9% poll link?--Elamdri 01:57, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

The last two bracketed sentences in the first section should be removed as they are not consistent with a formal encyclopaedia entry. If there is not a consensus on this point, at the very least the spelling should be corrected. Also, it seems that as of 12 March 2007, Wikipedia has an article on Conservapedia which makes the second part of this article obsolete. User:treeman 12:22, 11 March 2007

"Controversy"

This page was unlocked to add facts, not alleged bias. There is an entire article about the alleged bias, it doesn't go in here. The "controversy" section is about bias. Additionally, parts of it apply only to the English Wikipedia, NOTHING is sourced, and the source I consulted right now suggests that the whole "Americans are majority" bit is wrong. Unless there is something incredibly important I'm missing here (say so!), I'll delete the section in a few minutes. --Sid 3050 16:09, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm for deleteing it right now. Anything that can be written here can also be written on the bias article that already exists.MatteeNeutra 16:12, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

To appease those who insist wikipedia is biased, maybe we should include a link to Examples of Bias in Wikipedia in a "see also" section. Otherwise content like this will just keep reapearing and being deleted. MikeA 16:14, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Done, and the link had already been added by the time I got there. --Sid 3050 16:22, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

There does not seem to be an article on wikiality.com, as a big proponent of truthiness, and gut thinking, I would consider adding this to the UNBIASED conservapedia.

"A large percentage" of homosexuals

C'mon. How many? Out of how many?

Wikipedia has 3,834,720 registered user accounts, of which 1,147 (or 0.03%) have administrative privileges, by the way.

And what does it mean to be a "supporter of homosexuality?" Is a company that says it does not discriminate against gays "supporting" homosexuality, for example? Dpbsmith 13:28, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

" and given by example are Sodom and Gommorah, who having gone after strange flesh, suffered the vengence of eternal fire. RightWolf2 13:29, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Please, please do not use the story of Sodom and Gommorah as anti-homosexual support, since the story had nothing to do with that. --Dave3172 13:32, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Touch not mine annointed, and do my prophets no harm. RightWolf2 13:29, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Have you ever read the story, Dave? The story does in fact have to do with homosexuality. --<<-David R->> 13:33, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I have, extensively. The story is not about homosexuality, but about hospitality. When the mob is described in the KJV, they are "both old and young, all the people from every quarter." The original Hebrew is anshei ha'ir, anshei S'dom, or the people of the city, the people of Sodom. Which means women and children were present, not a homosexual mob.

Further, remember that Lot offered the mob his daughters in exchange. If the men of Sodom were homosexuals, he would have known this and not offered up his daughters to them. He'd have offered up his son-in-law's, which he had the right to do under the customs of the time.

But most tellingly are the words of Ezekiel - (Ezek. 16:49-50) "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." Nowhere does it mention homosexuality.--Dave3172 13:46, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

So, does that mean that a company that says it does not discriminate against gays "supports" homosexuality? Dpbsmith 13:37, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

What's wrong with using actual numbers?

I said that

Of approximately 3 million Wikipedia editors, about 250 of them [2] have posted on their user pages statements that they identify themselves as "gay."

RightWolf2, I've given the basis for both of these numbers. If you have better sources for the actual numbers, please cite and use them. If not, don't fall back on weasel words like "some" or "a large percentage." Dpbsmith 13:41, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Bias against homosexuality

This article seems to have a very strong bias against homosexuality. The section about "Wikipedia and Homosexuality" is longer than the rest of the article. Furthermore, can anybody tell me why the homosexuality of "Essjay" it is of relevance to this article? --QuestionMark 13:44, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

It isn't. Dpbsmith 13:58, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I assume it's the attempt to make Wikipedia look as bad as possible without repeating things from the Bias list. It should also be noted that most of these things most likely only refer to en.wikipedia, but that's not exactly new (see Bias article again) --Sid 3050 13:50, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Check the history and the edit comments. It appears that I am a "liberal gay rights activist" because I wanted a source citation for what critics, specifically, talk about Wikipedia as having a "gay cabal," and because I prefer to say "250 Wikipedia editors" rather than "some" or "a large percentage" identify themselves as gay on their user pages. (Incidentally, just for the record... when I checked I counted 226, which I rounded up, and 3,834,720, which I rounded down.) Dpbsmith 13:58, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Please don't revert multiple times

This is directed at user RightWolf2 Would you please discuss such enormous changes before simply reverting to your pov? Menkatron 14:00, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I like your changes. Too many plants here from Wikipedia. RightWolf2 14:02, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

"Like conservipedia"

"Like Conservapedia, it is a wiki that is written and edited by its users."

Since Conservipedia is pretty much a rip of Wikipedia, is it in any way honest to use wording that would lead one to believe that conservipedia is a more established wiki than wikipedia? Opcn 14:54, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

RightWolf2, please back up your statements

Being Conservapedia doesn't mean that any opinion can be stated just because it's conservative.

With regard to:

Conservative critics of Wikipedia have commented the site appears to be dominated and misused by the homosexual movement as a propaganda vehicle for promoting homosexuality.

well, fine, but please cite a source so that any reader can judge for themselves what they think about these "critics," and see whether you've summarized their views fairly.

With regard to:

The Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee, and number of site adminitrators contain a disproportionate number of homosexual members in comparison to demographic percentages within the Wikipedia Community

I personally have no idea how one would even begin to go about finding such a thing. Please give a basis for this statement. Dpbsmith 16:20, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I'd leave him be, this article is hilarious! JamesK 16:27, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

RightWolf2, you gave http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/ as a citation to back up the statement that "The Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee, and number of site adminitrators contain a disproportionate number of homosexual members in comparison to demographic percentages within the Wikipedia Community." However, that link goes to a page that contains neither the word "homosexual" nor the word "gay." Please provide a specific link to the page supporting the statement. Dpbsmith 16:36, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

This may be the cite he was refering to. http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/hivemind.html RobS 17:12, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

OK, it is pretty funny

RightWolf2, your latest edit gives the impression that you are counting "Heterosexual Wikipedians," "Male Wikipedians" and "Female Wikipedians" as homosexuals. (The cited source is [3]). Dpbsmith 16:47, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Secret Revelations

I am a top-level administrator on one of the several non-English versions of Wikipedia. I can confirm that your concerns on severe liberal bias are indeed correct, as they have dogged Wikipedia from the very beginning of the project.

As a conservative, it felt that it was tougher in getting an admin position. As such, I have dedicated over 80 000 edits in removing all forms of bias against Western and Eastern civilization. Also, I made it easier for people to get to know christianity.

Several left-wing associations seem to influence on the organization of Wikipedia. Groups of freeware developers, members of the rationalist zetetique, libertarians in general, European socialists and American democrats, even anarchists, communists and freemasons seem to have a greater hold than the average conservative editor.

To deliver us from the utter control of sects, I am very pleased that you have begun the Conservapedia project. My prayer goes out to your very best success. Knight

Dpbsmith

This page is very interesting.

Wikipedia Page for this user

RightWolf2 17:01, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

This editors comments in this article are also interesting. Conservapedia RightWolf2 17:03, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

In response to the change from editor to user, I support using the term "editor." If I look up something on wikipedia, I use it. If I edit something on wikipedia, while I am using, more specifically, I'm editing it. But that's just my two cents. ColinR 18:23, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Well, I decided the most accurate language is "people who have registered Wikipedia user accounts." I just changed it to "Of the people who have registered Wikipedia user accounts, 226 (as of 14th March 2007) users have chosen to place a marker on their user page identifying them as homosexual." Before anyone jumps on top of me, notice that I removed the percentage calculation, which I think is silly, and put the total number of such accounts into the footnote. Here's the diff in case anybody gets confused about who changed what. Dpbsmith 18:48, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

How about, "226 have outed themselves". RobS 18:57, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Meanwhile... with regard to the statement that

"The Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee, and number of site adminitrators contain a disproportionate number of homosexual members in comparison to demographic percentages within the Wikipedia Community based upon materials posted to Wikipedia Watch,"

I still would like to know where this material is posted, since the linked page does not contain it. Or should the statement read something like this:

"The Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee, and number of site adminitrators contain a disproportionate number of homosexual members in comparison to demographic percentages within the Wikipedia Community, according to comments made in IRC chat groups on the Wikipedia Watch website"

Dpbsmith 18:37, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Nice, I like the change in language. ColinR 18:55, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Mandatory Banning of Homosexual Wikipedia Editors

I would propose a mandatory ban of any Wikipedia editors who edit this site and have placed themselves in the homosexual category as these editors are inconsistent with Conservapedia's goals. Allowing them to edit here will bring this project under God's righteous wrath and doom it to failure. I will start a page on suspected homosexual editors infiltrating this site from Wikipedia. They should be banned on sight.

They should be identified and purged, along with all of their edits.

put away the unrighteous from among thee, for neither liars, nor murderers not fornicators, nor adulterers, nor sodomites shall inherit the kingdom of God, for without are dogs (homosexuals).

-- from the bible

RightWolf2 19:20, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Is this one of those liberal parodies that is occasionally pointed to? --Mtur 19:22, 14 March 2007 (EDT)