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I had a professional responsibility CLE about ethical citation today, and they touched on this. I thought it my duty to correct the misconceptions accordingly.-[[User:PhoenixWright|PhoenixWright]] 22:48, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I had a professional responsibility CLE about ethical citation today, and they touched on this. I thought it my duty to correct the misconceptions accordingly.-[[User:PhoenixWright|PhoenixWright]] 22:48, 3 March 2008 (EST)
: Thanks for your contributions, although I'm not happy with some of it. I will revert one change, but I'll also raise a few points here.
: There is a problem in that there is no dictionary definition of the term, so we can't say with any degree of certainty exactly what it means. The term itself suggests to me that it refers to someone going and looking for quotes to support their cause, as though that is somehow bad. But although I can't see the idea being conveyed by the term itself, it does appear that taking the quotes out of context is part of it. There are a few definitions floating around, such as the one quoted in the article, but who's to say that everyone who uses the term is using it according to those definitions?
: If the alleged "crime" of creationists is simply taking quotes out of context, why not just say that? The use of a ''different'' term indicates something more or different than simply taking a quote out of context. So I'd argue that "quote mining" is ''not'' synonymous with quoting out of context. The rest of my post assumes that point is true.
: The sentence "However, this is simply the fallacy of taking a quote out of context." was removed and replaced by "The charge is that of taking a quote out of context.". I can't see what was wrong with the original wording; it seems to me (and I did write it!) that it makes the point more clearly that the definition provided is simply the definition for an out-of-context quote, and as such, is inadequate.
: Andy included a bit about legal and political "quote mining". Whether or not it is quote mining depends on just what "quote mining" means. If "quote mining" is simply looking for quotes to support an argument, then it ''is'' quote mining. If it means taking them out of context, then it's ''not'' quote mining.
: Most of the added material under the "fact" headings is merely talking about taking quotes out of context, not quote mining, and therefore should be removed.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:28, 3 March 2008 (EST)