Debate:If most Christians learned their religion from their parents, just like us Muslims, they will probably be hard to convert. So what can we do to save their souls?

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It's a tough one. --Horace 22:58, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Before you all nuke me for asking this question, I just want to say that I asked it in good faith. If it is legitimate to ask about Christians converting Muslims, isn't it legitimate to ask about Muslims converting Christians? --Mathematica 03:28, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

That was the point of this page. I took the title of another page and swapped Christians and Muslims. --Horace 03:33, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Dude, I thought I was the one who did that!! --Mathematica 03:38, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

I think I see what happened. Look at the times after the signatures and the history. I created this one. You created the one that is prefaced by the word "Conservapedia:". Great minds think alike. --Horace 03:48, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

We can do nothing to save souls. Salvation requires grace. Grace comes exclusively from God and is defined as unearned favor. On must remember, however, that God is just. The God I believe in, for example, would not subject the souls of aborted babies to eternal torture simply because they never dotted the i's and crossed the t's and "accepted Christ". This same principle of justice would apply to people who lived in America before Columbus, for example, or for the Muslim woman who grew up in Yemen and was installed in a harem at age 14 where she lived in isolation until her death at age 49 never hearing the gospel. Teresita 09:34, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm, yes, maybe we should sent more imams to the west, those poor people have been misled for centuries and many have never even heard of the Prophet, it's not their fault. We can still save them with the help of merciful Allah!

Middle Man

Perhaps we should send more missionaries to the mid-east, those poor peoples have been misled for centuries and many have never even heared of the Messiah, it's not their fault. We can still save them with the help of Christ. Capercorn 11:21, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

'misled'? are you sure that we are the ones that are misled? -hmusleh

We tried that at the beginning of the last millenium, and look where it got us.--Charlesincharge 01:47, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

And why exactly is Christianity more valid than Islam?--Tmcfulton 20:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)

The main difference is the concept of love. In Christianity, love is elevated other things such as faith and good works alone. Even going as far to say that God is love, as this characteristic sums up His essence. In Christianity Jesus is the example of leading a selfless life, sacrificing his life for others. Martyrdom has a somewhat different meaning in some other beliefs! Adam —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AdamB (talk) Although we believe 'God is on our side', we have respect for other faiths and don't necessarily think outside of the Church there is no salvation. A common view is that those who are ignorant of our religion but who are disposed to obey God and lead an honest upright life may be saved. You would expect a merciful God, who clearly sees the thoughts and heart of each person, to show mercy to those who are ignorant of Christ through no fault of their own. i.e. a person who has never read the Gospel. The biggest problem I think we face is people here who consciously reject the truth. Adam

um... respect for other faiths (crusades, inquisition) REALLY?, and i would expect a merciful god although god isn't really that mercy full, assuming that you believed in the bible here is some facts, Total number killed in the bible: God 2,391,421 Satan 10, and since im not quite sure how to make a footnote :( here is the link http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/09/satan-vs-god-past-and-future-killings.html, and if you think god is tolerant, here is a quote from the bible: If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... stone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5 Greenmeanie 23:34, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I don't see why people can believe that people will be forgiven if there lack of faith is through no fault of their own, and say that atheism does not fall under this category. The way I see it, atheists do not see the Bible as the word of God, it is through no fault of their own. There are so many valid arguments against the idea that make perfectly logical sense, and supports the idea that there is no reason to believe that what Christians believe, that the bible is the word of God and that god exists as stated by the bible, is true. Basic logic tells us that not to be Christian or believe in the bible is perfectly justified. And before anybody says that is because God is providing us with valid reasons not to follow the scriptures as a test of our faith, why on earth are atheists punishable for being convinced by overwhelming evidence which God himself (you say) is intentionally convincing them is valid? How is reasonably not following God any fault of their own when God himself is reasoning with them not to follow Him? For example, Atheists pose the question: Isn't God, by not showing us incontrovertibly that He is real, condemning millions to hell who would otherwise convert? Time after time I hear fellow Christians answer: Because he is testing our faith, and giving us the free will to make the choice for ourselves because you know the bible exists and are therefore accountable etc. But I still believe that this question is totally valid and this answer is weak. Surely, in the case of the atheists question, if God does not prove to them, atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, even primitive tribes, then He is giving them perfectly reasonable grounds to believe that the Christian answer is not the case, and he is in fact simply not there. To me, this seems like an unarguably relevant possibility. I believe that the only reason that we believe He is there is because we choose to accept the axiom that God exists and the Bible is the word of God. Regardless of our individual spiritual reasons for following the Bible, disregard that axiom (as God allows Atheists justified reasoning to do) and there is little other reason. If Atheism is wrong, then just like any other view on religion it cannot be held accountable or punishable. Am I wrong? vonfalkenhayn 23:02 30 April 2009 (EST)