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In response to Edmund, your claim is not credible because it lacks specifics. Many liberals like Wikipedia's bias and would claim it has helped them simply to promote it further. That doesn't wash. I've looked at many of Wikipedia's math entries and can't say I've learned anything of value from any of them. They are not concise and clear, and many of them seem to deliberately obscure. Their entry on Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, for example, omits how it relies on the Axiom of Choice. Wikipedia even deleted its entry on the important concept of an [[elementary proof]], and only added its current version after I pointed that out as an example of bias. Our explanation is better even now.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:57, 10 December 2009 (EST)
In response to Edmund, your claim is not credible because it lacks specifics. Many liberals like Wikipedia's bias and would claim it has helped them simply to promote it further. That doesn't wash. I've looked at many of Wikipedia's math entries and can't say I've learned anything of value from any of them. They are not concise and clear, and many of them seem to deliberately obscure. Their entry on Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, for example, omits how it relies on the Axiom of Choice. Wikipedia even deleted its entry on the important concept of an [[elementary proof]], and only added its current version after I pointed that out as an example of bias. Our explanation is better even now.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:57, 10 December 2009 (EST)
:I hate to break it to you Andy, but you can’t tell someone, “No, you didn’t learn anything from Wikipedia.” That’s a lazy argument, even by the standards of this website. I’ve learned things from Wikipedia many times, specifically to clarify statistical concepts. Your argument doesn’t even try to make sense here. There are SOME errors on mathematical concepts, ergo absolutely nothing on Wikipedia is useful? Well, I better bring my last assignment back to the professor and inform him that he accidentally marked several incorrect questions as correct; I was apparently using liberal statistics! Do you have any idea how many math related pages there are on Wikipedia? Of course there are going to be errors. Even my TEXTBOOK has errors. Also, I don’t want my encyclopaedia to dumb material down for the sake of being concise. A complex mathematical concept shouldn't be simplified so that "even Andy can understand it." It should be explained in it's entirety because it targets a more educated audience than, say, an article on Pokemon. If I am reading an article that is above my head, I don't try to blame someone else for my own shortcomings. If you don’t want to read, maybe an encyclopaedia isn’t the place to go...I’m sure there are lots of picture books at the local library. [[User:Insufficient|Insufficient]] 15:11, 11 December 2009 (EST)
It seems that this website is full of contradictions. An encyclopedia with an admitted bias, but says its trustworthy? Bias is inherent in everything but if we say that it is okay even good then there is no attempt to actually reach the unbiased truth. Bias is not good but shouldn't we be trying to move away from it and not embracing it. If this website says something that is completely at odds with what the rest of the world believed it wouldn't matter because there is an inherent interest in providing one side. That tends to come at the expense of truth. This website seems to dislike the MSM but if they so something with obvious bias someone can call them on it. If this website does something with obvious bias that's fine. If journalists are all biased in the main stream media then how do you get information? There are plenty of right wing commentators but you can't create facts out of commentary. People have to actually report the information. Why are there adults making fun of people who don't agree with them? I would also like to take issue with what truth is thought of as. Taking original intent in your view of the constitution and reducing government power does not make your political ideology any more truthful. Just as trying to make the government more powerful and interpreting the constitution more broadly does not make a political ideology any more truthful. I am mystified how believing these things adds to truth. Truth is what is actual reality. Neither changing government power or interpreting a piece of writing really leads to truth. --[[User:johnsm]] 21:30, 10 December 2009 (est)
It seems that this website is full of contradictions. An encyclopedia with an admitted bias, but says its trustworthy? Bias is inherent in everything but if we say that it is okay even good then there is no attempt to actually reach the unbiased truth. Bias is not good but shouldn't we be trying to move away from it and not embracing it. If this website says something that is completely at odds with what the rest of the world believed it wouldn't matter because there is an inherent interest in providing one side. That tends to come at the expense of truth. This website seems to dislike the MSM but if they so something with obvious bias someone can call them on it. If this website does something with obvious bias that's fine. If journalists are all biased in the main stream media then how do you get information? There are plenty of right wing commentators but you can't create facts out of commentary. People have to actually report the information. Why are there adults making fun of people who don't agree with them? I would also like to take issue with what truth is thought of as. Taking original intent in your view of the constitution and reducing government power does not make your political ideology any more truthful. Just as trying to make the government more powerful and interpreting the constitution more broadly does not make a political ideology any more truthful. I am mystified how believing these things adds to truth. Truth is what is actual reality. Neither changing government power or interpreting a piece of writing really leads to truth. --[[User:johnsm]] 21:30, 10 December 2009 (est)