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reply re: orthogonality
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::::::It seems that his point is that something can be orthogonal and dependent.  I agree:  The cross-product of two vectors is orthogonal to both and yet obviously dependent on both.  --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 21:41, 12 December 2009 (EST)
 
::::::It seems that his point is that something can be orthogonal and dependent.  I agree:  The cross-product of two vectors is orthogonal to both and yet obviously dependent on both.  --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 21:41, 12 December 2009 (EST)
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::::::: OK, good point, an orthogonal vector can be a function of other orthogonal vectors.  But that's a bit different from what we're discussing.  Here it's an orthogonal force that is not dependent on anything else, and yet Ng says it encounters relativistic mass due to a different orthogonal force.
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::::::: I think relativists have abandoned Ng's position, so he's really arguing with his own side at this point.  As a result, I urge him to reconsider his views with an open mind once he confirms that.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:59, 12 December 2009 (EST)
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