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:::This may be a tangent, but what percent of Christians believe that [[Jesus came to die]] and that therefore those who "betrayed" or condemned or crucified him were doing a good deed? I don't mean this as a trick question, and I certainly don't intend to start a debate on a talk page. I just ask as a [[Unificationist]], since [[Unification Church|my church]] believes that [[Jesus did not come to die]], and that everything he accomplished by willing going the way of the cross could have been done just as effectively if he had been accepted by the Israelites. Should I elaborate on this somewhere? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:43, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 
:::This may be a tangent, but what percent of Christians believe that [[Jesus came to die]] and that therefore those who "betrayed" or condemned or crucified him were doing a good deed? I don't mean this as a trick question, and I certainly don't intend to start a debate on a talk page. I just ask as a [[Unificationist]], since [[Unification Church|my church]] believes that [[Jesus did not come to die]], and that everything he accomplished by willing going the way of the cross could have been done just as effectively if he had been accepted by the Israelites. Should I elaborate on this somewhere? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:43, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 
::::I have to respectfully disagree with you. Maybe we can create a debate topic on this? (I don't believe his betrayers were doing a good deed, though) [[User:NP|NP]]
 
::::I have to respectfully disagree with you. Maybe we can create a debate topic on this? (I don't believe his betrayers were doing a good deed, though) [[User:NP|NP]]
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:::::Fair enough. It takes two to have a debate, and maybe we can meet at [[Debate:Did Jesus come to die?]] (Or some other title, if you prefer a different wording.) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:27, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
    
NP, three of the four gospels were plainly written by eyewitnesses.  You've fallen for liberal deceit to argue otherwise.  And if an unrepentant crucifier of Jesus does not go to Hell, then who do you think does?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:52, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 
NP, three of the four gospels were plainly written by eyewitnesses.  You've fallen for liberal deceit to argue otherwise.  And if an unrepentant crucifier of Jesus does not go to Hell, then who do you think does?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:52, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
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