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The entry on interventionism said that Liberal currently (post-911, although to their credit they support Afghanistan, and in the beginning Iraq as well)) oppose nation building (we a can agree on this) but that this position is traditionally neither liberal nor conservative, since for example G.W. Bushopposed nation building in the past while Gore favored it (and I guess we can agree on this as well). Opposition to nation building is not a core liberal belief, nor is it it a conservative belief. And the Gore-Bush debate illustrates that nicely. And that is exactly what the old version said. And thats why it should be restored. [[User:Order]] 11 April, 12:35 (AEST)

The entry on interventionism said that Liberal currently (post-911, although to their credit they support Afghanistan, and in the beginning Iraq as well)) oppose nation building (we a can agree on this) but that this position is traditionally neither liberal nor conservative, since for example G.W. Bushopposed nation building in the past while Gore favored it (and I guess we can agree on this as well). Opposition to nation building is not a core liberal belief, nor is it it a conservative belief. And the Gore-Bush debate illustrates that nicely. And that is exactly what the old version said. And thats why it should be restored. [[User:Order]] 11 April, 12:35 (AEST)

:To argue a moot point: First off, so-called "nation building" is a media phrase that was invented circa 2000 to thumbnail a bunch of more detailed foreign policy objectives for what the media considers an idiot electorate; I have been involved in this stuff my whole life, have never heard the phrase "nation building" prior to that time, and can't say any candidate or person should be held to account on anything because journalists are too (damn) lazy to do their job properly and inform the public so instead invent just one more abusive journalistic phrase.  Secondly, what Bush said in a debate has nothing to do with liberal views on anything.  Third, you misquote Bush anyway, he does not "oppose nation building"; he said the Haiti was worth it.  You clearly got caught with your hand in the cookie jar on this one...Bush does not blanketly oppose nation building; he specifically criticizes one instance of "nation building". Trying to make something out of this not only totally fails to make yor poinht, it adds to the criticism Liberals have no valid or serious views on any of the matters, and will wrench totally contorted meanings out of context in paltry effort to sanitize miserable failings laid bare and exposed for the world to see.  Why pursue totatally fruitless efforts like this?  All it does is damage to own efforts.  To have credibilty whatsoever, the Gore sanction stuff is what you need to address, cause it is key to this [[Iraq War]], [[WMD]], and a bunch of other more relevent articles.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:02, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

:To argue a moot point: First off, so-called "nation building" is a media phrase that was invented circa 2000 to thumbnail a bunch of more detailed foreign policy objectives for what the media considers an idiot electorate; I have been involved in this stuff my whole life, have never heard the phrase "nation building" prior to that time, and can't say any candidate or person should be held to account on anything because journalists are too (damn) lazy to do their job properly and inform the public so instead invent just one more abusive journalistic phrase.  Secondly, what Bush said in a debate has nothing to do with liberal views on anything.  Third, you misquote Bush anyway, he does not "oppose nation building"; he said the Haiti operation wasn't worth it.  You clearly got caught with your hand in the cookie jar on this one...Bush does not blanketly oppose nation building; he specifically criticizes one instance of "nation building". Trying to make something out of this not only totally fails to make yor poinht, it adds to the criticism Liberals have no valid or serious views on any of the matters, and will wrench totally contorted meanings out of context in paltry effort to sanitize miserable failings laid bare and exposed for the world to see.  Why pursue totatally fruitless efforts like this?  All it does is damage to own efforts.  To have credibilty whatsoever, the Gore sanction stuff is what you need to address, cause it is key to this [[Iraq War]], [[WMD]], and a bunch of other more relevent articles.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:02, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

==Liberal vs libertarian==

==Liberal vs libertarian==