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:::Pride is original sin - ''worshipping and serving the creature more that the Creator'', as Lucifer did when he led the rebellion against God and was cast down to earth. God made a plan to re-take the earth from evil when he created [[Adam]]; however Adam soon joined the rebellion against God and lifted himself up in pride; he felt he knew better than God. Jesus came to reconcile us with God and finish the work of retaking the earth from evil. But Roman doctrine only preaches wrath (as aptly illustrated in the above posting) to those who refuse the decrees of men, which render the Word of God to no affect.
 
:::Pride is original sin - ''worshipping and serving the creature more that the Creator'', as Lucifer did when he led the rebellion against God and was cast down to earth. God made a plan to re-take the earth from evil when he created [[Adam]]; however Adam soon joined the rebellion against God and lifted himself up in pride; he felt he knew better than God. Jesus came to reconcile us with God and finish the work of retaking the earth from evil. But Roman doctrine only preaches wrath (as aptly illustrated in the above posting) to those who refuse the decrees of men, which render the Word of God to no affect.
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:::Infant baptism theoretically washes away self-will and pride, making a grown adult believe they have no need to humble themselves and repent of this egregious error and sin, that like Jews of the circumcision, they had no need to hear Jesus's voice because by birthright they were already Sons of God.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 19:29, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
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:::Infant baptism theoretically washes away self-will and pride, making a grown adult believe they have no need to humble themselves and repent of this egregious error and sin, that like Jews of the circumcision, they felt they had no need to hear Jesus's voice because by birthright they were already Sons of God.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 19:29, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
 
::::That is an [[Falsehood|untrue]], [[Distortion|distorted]] [[misrepresentation]] of Catholic doctrine. Catholic doctrine teaches that genuine humility all life-long is necessary along with sincere repentance and confession of all mortal sins committed after Baptism coupled with a heart-felt genuine purpose of amendment of life according to the example of the holiness of Christ. — http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm Catechism of the Catholic Church Part Two, Section Two, Article 4 <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:29, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
 
::::That is an [[Falsehood|untrue]], [[Distortion|distorted]] [[misrepresentation]] of Catholic doctrine. Catholic doctrine teaches that genuine humility all life-long is necessary along with sincere repentance and confession of all mortal sins committed after Baptism coupled with a heart-felt genuine purpose of amendment of life according to the example of the holiness of Christ. — http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm Catechism of the Catholic Church Part Two, Section Two, Article 4 <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:29, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:::::Yes, a doctrine of works, rejecting the Gospel of Grace and the sacrificial atonement of Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:::::Yes, a doctrine of works, rejecting the Gospel of Grace and the sacrificial atonement of Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:08, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
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