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:You've insisted over and over again that the Catholic Church is an institution of sinful men led by sinful men. OK, Peter says to "obey every human institution' RSV "submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake" KJV - part of the whole passage in the Bible of 1 Peter 2:13-17. ''So where do you get off saying it's right to not submit and not obey sinful men leading the Catholic Church?'' As Dataclarifier pointed out, the Catholic Church wasn't founded by anybody disobeying and refusing to submit to the leaders of their church and went out and taught a different doctrine than what they'd been taught and established a different church. It's the Church, so obey. You say it's a human institution, so obey. You're stuck in the fact you disobey even the Bible here. It doesn't matter if there are weeds among the wheat. They both are to grow together until the harvest. Obey the Bible and obey the Church. Not those who left. It's had authority for a long time. And every authority is established by God, and whoever resists the authority resists God. Romans 13. Those who left are antichrist. 1 John 2:18-19. So whichever way you turn, the Bible says to obey, but you don't want to. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 09:43, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

:You've insisted over and over again that the Catholic Church is an institution of sinful men led by sinful men. OK, Peter says to "obey every human institution' RSV "submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake" KJV - part of the whole passage in the Bible of 1 Peter 2:13-17. ''So where do you get off saying it's right to not submit and not obey sinful men leading the Catholic Church?'' As Dataclarifier pointed out, the Catholic Church wasn't founded by anybody disobeying and refusing to submit to the leaders of their church and went out and taught a different doctrine than what they'd been taught and established a different church. It's the Church, so obey. You say it's a human institution, so obey. You're stuck in the fact you disobey even the Bible here. It doesn't matter if there are weeds among the wheat. They both are to grow together until the harvest. Obey the Bible and obey the Church. Not those who left. It's had authority for a long time. And every authority is established by God, and whoever resists the authority resists God. Romans 13. Those who left are antichrist. 1 John 2:18-19. So whichever way you turn, the Bible says to obey, but you don't want to. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 09:43, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

::Your whole argument appears to [[Putting words in someone's mouth|put words in one's mouh]]. Another deceptive lie. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 09:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

::Your whole argument appears to [[Putting words in someone's mouth|put words in one's mouh]]. Another deceptive lie. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 09:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

 

:You use the Bible to contradict the Church and condemn it and its teaching which is from the Bible. Well, I've known a lot people who cited the Bible so that it even contradicts itself and say, "''There! You see? It contradicts itself and even praises murderers and liars and adulterers. So the Bible can't be true! And you're an idiot if you think it is!''" They abuse the Bible so they don't have to accept it. You do the same thing. You use the Bible against the Church. Well, the Bible can be used against you. And it can be used to support the Catholic Church. And it has and it does. I read it. When I found out what the Catholic Church actually teaches I was convicted of error and could see for myself from the Bible itself that it is the one true Church. Jesus is no liar. Who are you to say He did not fulfill his promise? I have an idea who you are, and it ain't good. Why should we listen to you when you won't even listen to the Bible? I think what Gamaliel said to the Sanhedrin applies to you, "IF it is of God, you cannot defeat it. You may even find yourself fighting against God." Acts 5:33-39. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 10:12, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

:You use the Bible to contradict the Church and condemn it and its teaching which is from the Bible. Well, I've known a lot people who cited the Bible so that it even contradicts itself and say, "''There! You see? It contradicts itself and even praises murderers and liars and adulterers. So the Bible can't be true! And you're an idiot if you think it is!''" They abuse the Bible so they don't have to accept it. You do the same thing. You use the Bible against the Church. Well, the Bible can be used against you. And it can be used to support the Catholic Church. And it has and it does. I read it. When I found out what the Catholic Church actually teaches I was convicted of error and could see for myself from the Bible itself that it is the one true Church. Jesus is no liar. Who are you to say He did not fulfill his promise? I have an idea who you are, and it ain't good. Why should we listen to you when you won't even listen to the Bible? I think what Gamaliel said to the Sanhedrin applies to you, "IF it is of God, you cannot defeat it. You may even find yourself fighting against God." Acts 5:33-39. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 10:12, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

::You use the Bible to twist God's word into lies. The Roman Catholic church rejects the authority of the Bible in favor of sinful men, i.e. the [[Magisterium]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 10:26, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

::You use the Bible to twist God's word into lies. The Roman Catholic church rejects the authority of the Bible in favor of sinful men, i.e. the [[Magisterium]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 10:26, 27 August 2020 (EDT)