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Talk:Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
Revision as of 15:15, August 27, 2020
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:No it doesn't. The Catechism says ''grace is not grace''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:46, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
:No it doesn't. The Catechism says ''grace is not grace''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:46, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
::You lie! No such text in the ''Catechism''. I've read it. You can't quote box any such passage anywhere in the ''Catechism''.
::Oh, the [[Truth (logic|logic]] is inescapable! Only someone like yourself blinded by [[confirmation bias]] can't see it. <br>Look at [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+9%3A39-41&version=DRA;KJV;ESV;NIV;NABRE '''John 9:39-41''']. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 10:56, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
::Catechism teaches grace is merited. It's already cited in mainspace. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:03, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
::Catechism teaches grace is merited. It's already cited in mainspace. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:03, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Not the initial grace of salvation. No one can merit that. ''You just won't admit it.'' That's the teaching of the Catholic Church. That's the teaching of the ''Catechism''. Apart from Christ there is no meriting salvation. Only He saves. We can't do it! Again, look at [http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm '''Grace and Justification''']. '''You lie about what the ''Catechism'' says.''' But you keep repeating the same lie. '''You'' are spamming [[Falsehood]].
:::I will waste no more time with you. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 11:15, 27 August 2020 (EDT)