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:::Nope. We got it from former Catholics in our own city who'd always lived there. When we discovered they had once been Catholic we asked pointed questions about it, and they admitted they'd had Bibles in their parochial schools. But they weren't interested in reading it. It was boring. So, we got first hand info from people who'd actually been there. Not from online Catholic websites! Others who'd gotten away from the Church and become Protestants and then returned because they read the Bible more carefully, also said they weren't interested in the Bible in school, but came back when they felt they should read it. They said it was the Holy Spirit. So were some of the former inmates of prisons of Anamosa and San Quentin. When they read the Bible they were converted from their evil past, really repented, and became Catholic, they said because of the Bible. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:43, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

:::Nope. We got it from former Catholics in our own city who'd always lived there. When we discovered they had once been Catholic we asked pointed questions about it, and they admitted they'd had Bibles in their parochial schools. But they weren't interested in reading it. It was boring. So, we got first hand info from people who'd actually been there. Not from online Catholic websites! Others who'd gotten away from the Church and become Protestants and then returned because they read the Bible more carefully, also said they weren't interested in the Bible in school, but came back when they felt they should read it. They said it was the Holy Spirit. So were some of the former inmates of prisons of Anamosa and San Quentin. When they read the Bible they were converted from their evil past, really repented, and became Catholic, they said because of the Bible. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:43, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

::::Having been born, raised, and baptized Catholic, and around them my entire life, I can say, you were lied to. But that's okay, they can confess, "I lied X number of times" with enumerating or going into specifics about what they lied about and to who. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 14:50, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

::::Having been born, raised, and baptized Catholic, and around them my entire life, I can say, you were lied to. But that's okay, they can confess, "I lied X number of times" without enumerating or going into specifics about what they lied about and to who. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 14:50, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

You never mentioned the numbers of criminals and gangbangers with Protestant Bible-believing backgrounds in prison '''who relied on being saved by faith alone''', who were told that there is therefore now no condemnation for all eternity for any sin they might commit, past, present, and future, "because they were in Christ and freed from the law of sin and death", and gave testimony and were baptized, and later '''rebelled against their parents, the Bible, and forgot what they had been taught by their pastors in their churches''', and now in prison have come back to the Bible. "But they were saved!" (Once). And they're from all races, Hispanic, White, Black, Brown, Red. '''Protestants! Fundamentalists!''' (Once upon a time). I know about all this, because I was Disciples of Christ, and Dataclarifier was a fundamental Baptist. And we both "got away with sin" for too long, until we read more of the Bible and saw that we couldn't rely for our eternal salvation on the fact once and for all that we had professed Jesus Christ as our own personal Savior. Both of us have committed jailable offenses worthy of long terms in prison that no one else knows about. (Difference is, we got away with it, but '''no more'''.) That's no different than what you said about those Hispanic Roman Catholics baptized as babies. Other prisoners guilty of horrible acts have been once saved, and did what they did '''anyway!''' Look at the news about so many privileged white kids growing up in Bible-believing homes and churches in their youth who threw it all off to commit in secret monstrous crimes of passion and corruption, but got caught later and brought shame to their families, and grief to the innocents they preyed on, and their families. So much for [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Your blaming Catholicism and Infant Baptism for their gang raping activities is a crock. <br> Oh, if you're wondering: We each did our own independent interviewing of former Catholics by ourselves long before we ever met each other, like about 30-40 years ago. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

You never mentioned the numbers of criminals and gangbangers with Protestant Bible-believing backgrounds in prison '''who relied on being saved by faith alone''', who were told that there is therefore now no condemnation for all eternity for any sin they might commit, past, present, and future, "because they were in Christ and freed from the law of sin and death", and gave testimony and were baptized, and later '''rebelled against their parents, the Bible, and forgot what they had been taught by their pastors in their churches''', and now in prison have come back to the Bible. "But they were saved!" (Once). And they're from all races, Hispanic, White, Black, Brown, Red. '''Protestants! Fundamentalists!''' (Once upon a time). I know about all this, because I was Disciples of Christ, and Dataclarifier was a fundamental Baptist. And we both "got away with sin" for too long, until we read more of the Bible and saw that we couldn't rely for our eternal salvation on the fact once and for all that we had professed Jesus Christ as our own personal Savior. Both of us have committed jailable offenses worthy of long terms in prison that no one else knows about. (Difference is, we got away with it, but '''no more'''.) That's no different than what you said about those Hispanic Roman Catholics baptized as babies. Other prisoners guilty of horrible acts have been once saved, and did what they did '''anyway!''' Look at the news about so many privileged white kids growing up in Bible-believing homes and churches in their youth who threw it all off to commit in secret monstrous crimes of passion and corruption, but got caught later and brought shame to their families, and grief to the innocents they preyed on, and their families. So much for [[Eternal security (salvation)]]. Your blaming Catholicism and Infant Baptism for their gang raping activities is a crock. <br> Oh, if you're wondering: We each did our own independent interviewing of former Catholics by ourselves long before we ever met each other, like about 30-40 years ago. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 14:24, 4 September 2020 (EDT)