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Talk:Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
Revision as of 01:10, September 13, 2020
, 01:10, September 13, 2020→Apart from the Debate: something related to seriously think about
:Who provided love, care, and sustenance to the woman after '''church law''' was enforced? Did she end up working as a hooker after the church required she to be tossed out? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:01, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:Who provided love, care, and sustenance to the woman after '''church law''' was enforced? Did she end up working as a hooker after the church required she to be tossed out? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:01, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:*'''2 Samuel 3:16''' - ''But she said to him, “No, my brother, for '''this wrong in sending me away is greater than the other that you did''' to me.” But he would not listen to her.''
:*'''2 Samuel 3:16''' - ''But she said to him, “No, my brother, for '''this wrong in sending me away is greater than the other that you did''' to me.” But he would not listen to her.''
:While Francis did express the grace and forgiveness of God, your "saintly" story is sorely unimpressive telling us only half. And the point of this half-story is sorely mistaken, grievous, and wrong. You're preaching church law again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:11, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:While Francis exhibits the grace and forgiveness of God, your "saintly" story is sorely unimpressive telling us only half. And the point of this half-story is sorely mistaken, grievous, and wrong. You're preaching church law again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:11, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:::When the woman herself saw that "''the parish that had given up on the wayward pastor and wanted vengeance found victory too as they witnessed Christ’s mercy melt the heart of a hardened sinner''", her heart too was stricken and melted along with the parishioners, and she fell down and repented, and confessed that she had seduced the priest, and she received absolution, and from that moment in sorrow for her sins turned her life over to Christ and lived apart, dedicating herself to a life of poverty and prayer for sinners in penance and fasting and chastity in reparation to Christ for her sins. The Poor Clares ministered to her needs along with some of the parishioners of the town. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:14, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
:::When the woman herself saw that "''the parish that had given up on the wayward pastor and wanted vengeance found victory too as they witnessed Christ’s mercy melt the heart of a hardened sinner''", her heart too was stricken and melted along with the parishioners, and she fell down and repented, and confessed that she had seduced the priest, and she received absolution, and from that moment in sorrow for her sins turned her life over to Christ and lived apart, dedicating herself to a life of poverty and prayer for sinners in penance and fasting and chastity in reparation to Christ for her sins. The Poor Clares ministered to her needs along with some of the parishioners of the town. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 20:14, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
::::(1) Huh? "in reparation to Christ for her sins". Seriously, you haven't a clue what the gospel is. ''Unless I wash you, you aren't clean'' {John 13:8) You're preaching [[pride]] again, as if your reparations make you acceptable to God, as if Christ died for nothing.
::::(1) Huh? "in reparation to Christ for her sins". Seriously, you haven't a clue what the gospel is. ''Unless I wash you, you aren't clean'' {John 13:8) You're preaching [[pride]] again, as if your reparations make you acceptable to God, as if Christ died for nothing.
*'''Acts 12:22-23''' - ''And the people were shouting, “The voice of a god, and not of a man!” And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.''
*'''Acts 12:22-23''' - ''And the people were shouting, “The voice of a god, and not of a man!” And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.''
:Yep. No scripture describes better what happens when I discuss Roman Catholic doctrine with Roman Catholic true believers. Herod, who was in the line of David, kinda imagined himself a Christ-like messianic figure. And Herod was a party animal, always surrounded by an entourage he assumed loved him and worshipped him. One day in the midst of a party, Herod had a paralytic stroke and was still conscious. But his party friends stood over him, drinks in hand, saying things like, "Physician, heal thyself!" and just kept on partying, Herod had to endure the true sentiment and mockery from his friends while sill semi-conscious, unable to respond. And then he died. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:33, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
:Yep. No scripture describes better what happens when I discuss Roman Catholic doctrine with Roman Catholic true believers. Herod, who was in the line of David, kinda imagined himself a Christ-like messianic figure. And Herod was a party animal, always surrounded by an entourage he assumed loved him and worshipped him. One day in the midst of a party, Herod had a paralytic stroke and was still conscious. But his party friends stood over him, drinks in hand, saying things like, "Physician, heal thyself!" and just kept on partying, Herod had to endure the true sentiment and mockery from his friends while still semi-conscious, unable to respond. And then he died. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:33, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
:The Holy See is not the Chair of Peter, it is the Chair of Herod. And like Herod, puffed up in its [[Pride#Christianity]], it ends up on the floor, eaten of worms when its own words are read back to it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:42, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
:The Holy See is not the Chair of Peter, it is the Chair of Herod. And like Herod, puffed up in its [[Pride#Christianity]], it ends up on the floor, eaten of worms when its own words are read back to it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:42, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
::I don't remember that story from ''Ecclesiastical History''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:59, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
::I don't remember that story from ''Ecclesiastical History''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:59, 12 September 2020 (EDT)