::As any marketing specialist can estimate, it is obvious exactly what happened. Dems tend to vote early. Repubs wait til election day. Dems stuffed the ballot box pre-election day. On election day, a marketing specialist can estimate exactly which polling locations need to be closed, for what length of time, how many GOP voters will turn up, how many GOP voters ''will not'' wait, go to another location, or return in the afternoon to try again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:51, November 10, 2022 (EST)
===Steve Turley's commentary on the 2022 midterm elections===
[[Steve Turley]], who expected a red wave in the 2022 midterm elections, produced some post-2022 midterm elections videos which I think are pretty good.
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOgJEuzXik Something BIG Is Happening] - The topic of political balkanization is discussed ([[Red state]]s are getting redder and [[blue state]]s are getting bluer). Political balkanization will hurt Democrats because 8 of the top 10 states people are leaving are Democrat-controlled states so if this trend continues Democrats will lose seats in the House of Representatives (see: [https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/ 10 States People Are Fleeing And 10 States People Are Moving To]). And most of the people leaving blue states are leaving the politics of their past state behind them (see: [https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/ 10 States People Are Fleeing And 10 States People Are Moving To]). For example, GOP leaning people are leaving big population states like California and New York.
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2RL7RW4dw Republicans FLIP Five More Seats for Net Gain of 16]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsAXNmJrRMo Republicans WIN More SUPERMAJORITIES Than EVER] - About 50% of the USA now has veto-proof state legislators whereas Democrats merely have 14 states with veto-proof majorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:49, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::That's right. After my No.1 recommendation was to re-examine your sources, cite your errant sources to blame for a colossal screw up.
::Dr. Turley is a guy I respect immensely, but not all sources have expertise in all areas. And obviously Dr. Turley's forte is not electoral politics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:02, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::For example, Turley's been preaching "rightwing populism" sweeping Europe for 7 years now, and what have the "rightwing populists" done to limit immigration or stop European globalists from destroying their economies with [[Russian sanctions]] in the past 7 years? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:13, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:::Here is the fact you need to square up to: Talk of a [[Red wave]], which I explicitly warned against, is probably what destroyed [[Donald Trump]]'s hope to return to the White House. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:19, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::::The pandemic probably caused Trump and Bolsanaro to lose their reelection bids, but I frankly don't know much about Brazilian politics. The website https://electionbettingodds.com/ gives Trump a 17.8% chance of winning the U.S. presidential election in 2024. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:58, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:::::I am speaking of the demoralizing effects a focus on polls have, both pre-election and post-election. Polling data is caca. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:27, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:From a professional perspective, look at the way a successful campaign is conducted. In 2008, Obama's win was a blow out. However prior to election day you did not see any hubris about a "Blue wave". Rather, we saw endless speculation over ''Will white males over 55 vote for a black man'', etc. This is the proper way to conduct a campaign. "Wave" talk is for AFTER, I repeat AFTER, I repeat again AFTER an election. In fact, prior to election, it ought to be viewed suspiciously either as internal [[subversion]], or naive and amateurish by people without understanding or regard of the consequences for failure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:23, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:Wave talk is like spiking the football and doing an endzone dance when you tie the score with 2 minutes to go, and the other team kicks a field goal in the final minutes. If I were a coach, I'd fine the player $5,000 for not following instructions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:27, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:As you read all the post mortems, they say the GOP did not put for forward an agenda or solutions. Exactly. Endless wave talk IS NOT an agenda or solution. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:34, November 11, 2022 (EST)
::The GOP never explained to people how the Biden administration caused high inflation in the USA and how some other countries were faring better such as Switzerland. In addition, until recently, the GOP never made much of an effort to get schools/colleges to teach basic economics from a conservative point of view. Meanwhile, you had the MSM and the Biden administration talking about how inflation was happening "everywhere". For all his faults, [[Ross Perot]] did educate voters. Preparation is the key to winning battles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:44, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:::Wrong. People well understand Joe Biden, not Vladimir Putin, is responsible for inflation. The GOP never put forward proposals how to deal with it, or any other problem.
:::Lessons learned: a 75% Wrong track poll ''does not'' translate into a [[Red wave]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:50, November 11, 2022 (EST)
::::What you just said right here: ''"GOP never explained to people how the Biden administration caused high inflation"'' is ''"People are stupid and they believe Joe Biden lies"''. Hence, your high-profile and outspoken anti-Putinism aided Joe Biden and the Democrats. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:02, November 11, 2022 (EST)
===Kellyanne Conway on the 2022 midterm elections===
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCjDXy78O74 Biden is getting a little over-confident: Ex-Trump adviser]. [[Kellyanne Conway]] says a red tide instead of a red wave happening in the 2022 midterm elections may be a long-term bigger gain because it will help an overconfident Joe Biden decide to run again in 2024. It is widely thought that Joe Biden will lose such an election. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:18, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:bla bla bla. Stop wasting time and space with irrelevant hypotheticals, and focus on the problems now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:22, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:<big>No sane human being alive on the planet today expects Biden to run in 2024, let alone serve a second term.</big> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:24, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::Biden is weak, but his ego is big. I think he will run again. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
=== Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are more accurate? ===
*[[Essay: Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are better? Also, there was no red wave in 2022 U.S. midterm elections, but it was a fun red cape to wave in front of Democrats for awhile. Olé! Olé! Olé!|Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are more accurate?]]
::Neither. And our thinking should not be guided by either.
::Lot in Sodom is probably the world's most famous pollster. And all it turned out to be was a big waste of time and it didn't persuade anybody. Then you have the instance where Pilot polled the crowd. The results evidently were intimidating to the minority. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:18, November 11, 2022 (EST)
===The Narrative to Replace Donald Trump With the Shill Ron DeSantis is in Full Swing===
[https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/the-narrative-to-replace-donald-trump-with-the-shill-ron-desantis-is-in-full-swing/] This was the point of delayed election results, to buy time for this narrative (psyop) to develop. The MAGA candidates in Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado ultimately will win, and there will be a MAGA wave. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:32, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:While I personally wouldn't call DeSantis a "shill", he's unwittingly being used by anti-MAGA and GOPe forces to take down Trump AND the influence of the MAGA movement in the GOP. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:35, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:[[Joe Kent]]: [https://rumble.com/v1tc6xi-joe-kent-they-are-trying-to-break-your-spirit-psychological-warfare.html They are Trying to Break your Spirit] - [[Psychological Warfare]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup>
'''MAGA talking points Update:''' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/11/its-the-big-ugly-and-were-here-for-it/ It’s The Big Ugly, and We’re Here For It]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:14, November 11, 2022 (EST)
*Raheem Kassam of ''National Pulse'' on Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis show: [https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/my-must-watch-explainer-of-trump My 'Must Watch' Explainer of Trump v. DeSantis and the 'Red Wave' Expectation Follies.] (Kassem is a conservative commentator who was a former bodyguard for Margaret Thatcher). 93% of Trump-backed candidates win. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:38, November 11, 2022 (EST)
*[[Dick Morris]]: [https://www.dickmorris.com/dont-blame-trump-for-republican-failure/ Don’t Blame Trump For Republican Failure]. "Searching for a chance to scapegoat Donald Trump, the “Never Trumpers” have found a champion, they hope, in Ron DeSantis....If there is one man to blame for the Senate failures in 2022, it is Minority Leader Mitch McConnell." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:26, November 11, 2022 (EST)
::Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." If Arizona citizens or the citizens of any other state want speedy election results, they need to stop taking mail-in ballots up until the day of election like they do now. States with speedy election results do not take mail-in ballots past the Sunday (or so many days) before the election. My guess is that the pandemic has increased the number of mail-in ballots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:11, November 11, 2022 (EST)
*[https://creativedestructionmedia.com/opinion/2022/11/12/the-red-wave-is-real-its-just-being-slow-rolled-and-stolen-the-want-you-demoralized/ The Red Wave Is Real – It’s Just Being Slow-Rolled And Stolen – They Want You Demoralized]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 12:53, November 12, 2022 (EST)
*[https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/youve-been-gaslighted-democrats-just-stole-another-election/ You’ve Been Gaslighted – Democrats Just Stole Another Election]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:07, November 12, 2022 (EST)
*'''Update: Twitter puts Conservativetreehouse link about [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/15/within-minutes-of-arizona-gov-election-call-twitter-dhs-and-big-tech-begin-blocking-discussion-of-difference-between-ballots-and-votes/ "votes vs. ballots" on spam block list as a harmful site.]''' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 04:30, November 16, 2022 (EST)
===Roe v Wade turnout impact===
As I said before and nobody believe me, overturning Roe v Wade would have huge impact on the midterms, and that what happened
young girl turnout for Democrats was +37 --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 20:05, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:That's insufficient data to make a judgement about. Compared to what? Voter turnout among inflation and crime victims? increased turnout among disgruntled Hispanics and other minorities who traditionally voted Democrat? So while you can say turnout increased among a certain segment, that differs from overall impact. Furthermore, it's a one-time impact on federal elections - cause these ill-informed voters don't understand that the repeal of ''Roe v. Wade'' kicked the issue back to the states. ''Roe v. Wade'' has never been an issue in the U.S. Congress, either ''before'' repeal or after - despite a half century of propaganda and billions spent on political advertising. All the repeal did was make it an issue that voters NOW can actually have an impact ''in state elections.'' They should be thankful, if anything, and not angry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:33, November 12, 2022 (EST)
::As you said ill-informed voters dont understand but they voted for Democrats who promised them that they will codify Roe v Wade. Democrats knew where can they focus their races, while incompetent GOP leader, McCarthy, McConnel, Emmer, Ducey and McDaniel were either focused in deep red districts or deep blue districts {{unsigned}}
:::Well, more power to them if they know how to motivate people to the polls. The problem is the backlash, when voters realize they have been lied to persistently by a deceptive party. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:16, November 12, 2022 (EST)
Trump also has fair share to blame when he endorse bad candidate like Gessioto in Ohio or Hines in North Carolina, and endorsing who called Ultra MAGA candidates in swing districts against electoral juggernaut Democrats like [[J.R. Majewski]] focusing on primary more than general election --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 22:42, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:What is Ultra MAGA? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:16, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:I've been involved in GOP politics for more than half a century, and never heard the term. I have heard it used by a communist dictator and a controlled media, but am not sure what they are talking about. Any idea? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:23, November 12, 2022 (EST)
Commenting on what Steve Turley said, the purple states get much bluer and this is because of how many bad candidates there, Oz, Walker, Mastriano and Dixon werent good candidates.
However in big blue state like New York, there was really big red wave there due to energy of [[Lee Zeldin]] who was best GOP candidate in this cycle,
even [[Chuck Schumer]] never had close race like this year, so what Steve Turley wasnt necessarily true. California, Iowa and Delaware there was Red wave as we can say and in Florida it was Red tsunami --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 20:14, November 12, 2022 (EST)
=== Points generally, and laughs ===
Schadenfreude is a helluva drug, man. The Trump indictment after Warnock dispatches Walker might just finish me off. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:58, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:The GOP is very much the odds on favorites to win a majority in the House of Representatives, although the Democrats still have a chance and a path to victory.[https://electionbettingodds.com/House2022.html][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwgwC9g3Nc] If the GOP has a majority in the House of Represenatives, it will be significantly harder for Joe Biden to move forward his legislative agenda. In addition, the GOP will spotlight Joe Biden's failures and scandals through investigations. In addition, if the GOP has a majority in the House of Represenatives, the Democrats will have much harder time moving forward their agenda.
:In short, he who laughs last, laughs best. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::The Republicans need only 6 more House seats to have a majority in the House of Representatives and the Democrats need 15 more seats to have a majority.[https://www.google.com/search?q=2022+midterm+elections&oq=2022+midterm+elections&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i131i433i512j69i59j69i60l3.4096j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] The odds are still in the GOP's favor in this matter.[https://electionbettingodds.com/House2022_week.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:40, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::There you go again with your MSM talking points - you sound like [[Liz Cheney]]. The Red wave was supposed to wash them in a week ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 10:56, November 14, 2022 (EST)
::::The failure of Ben's editorial wishcasting is funny, but at least he's not writing bonkers fan fiction claiming the red tsunami actually happened. Zelensky called from Kherson btw. Said he's got plans for the winter. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:55, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::Yah, I know. The gestapo is cleaning up there. Zelensky got his marching orders from Washington, and now wants to talk peace as the U.S. pivots to Asia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:59, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::btw, here's a Ukronazi giving the [[fascist]] salute, aired on [[CNN]], to Zelensky and company as they enter Kherson. [https://youtu.be/7GGegRgkyyw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:37, November 14, 2022 (EST)
::::::Now I've heard this argument before, "Rob, it's not really a Nazi salute cause it's done with the left hand." But then again, Nazis aren't very bright, and don't really follow any particular rule book. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:42, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::::Write in a moon base & I'll engage with your Ukrainian Nazi regime guff. Promise. <small>(I may be persuadable re. a Hollow Earth lair with a seekrit entrance via Antarctica.)</small> [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:37, November 15, 2022 (EST)
Prophecy is not easy, which reinforces why [[Bible prophecy]] was so remarkable. Many [[liberal]] experts have predicted for nearly a decade that [[Trump]] would not be the immense political influence that he is.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:03, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:FWIW, I'm fully supportive of your efforts to further [[Trumpify GOP|Trumpify the GOP]]. It's swing state magic, guaranteed.
:And FAO Captain R. Cauldron-Smith (Ret.): Haha. No. Kiss goodbye to northern Luhansk as your boys try & hold the "land bridge". [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:14, November 14, 2022 (EST)
::We'll all fry like bacon before that happens. Meanwhile, freezing refugees from Kyiv flee to freeze in Poland and Germany where they're no longer welcomed. Those who stay behind are knee deep in excrement and disease with no running water (same is happening in Kherson, I hear). But with an economy that's shrunk 90% with about a 90% unemployment rate, and its best soldiers long dead, good luck with those Polish, Canadian, and Vietnamese mercenaries on the Lugansk and Zaporozhye front (sure, they make $3,000 a month, but there's nothing to buy in Ukraine, inflation back home eats it all up, and I don't think they have any real loyalty to Ukraine, democracy, or Zelensky. Especially when they realize they're being sent on a suicide mission). The Biden junta evidently wants out [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cia-chief-william-burns-meets-russian-spy-boss-sergey-naryshkin/ar-AA146lIJ] - they're crying "Uncle" long before [[Uncle Vovo]] ever did, who's only getting started. Papa Xi's already waiting for them, too. And since the Biden junta has to buy 152mm shells from [[South Korea]] for the howitzers it donated to Ukraine, it'll be a whole lot easier knocking out that source. Kim jong-un can do it without Uncle Vovo or Papa Xi rolling up their sleeves.
::Face it, Blinken and Sullivan bit off a bit more than they can chew. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 19:56, November 14, 2022 (EST)
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::If the [[Dropbox Dems]] really think [[Trump]] helps their side, then they can vote to elect him [[Speaker of the House]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 21:44, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::ConwayIII, have you read the essay: [[Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories|Donald Trump's glorious victories]]?
:::God works in mysterious ways. Just as Samson was not particularly religious, Trump is not particularly religious. Even if the Biden Admnistration imprisons Trump, he already took a wrecking ball to much of the American liberal temple. CNN, the fake news organization, is just a shadow of its former self. Facebook, run by Mr. Zucker who used a ton of Zuckerbucks to influence the 2020 election, is seeing his social media empire shrivel. As you may recall, Samson (who was imprisoned) eventually took down the Phlistine's Temple.
:::Even if Trump is not elected in 2024, or even if he is imprisoned which might make him stronger by making him a political martyr, Trumpism will live on. The working class is moving to the GOP and that includes Latinos and Black males.
:::Also, read the essays [[Essay: Andy Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly and the Amish. All they do is win against secular leftists (Rap song)|Andy Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly and the Amish. All they do is win against secular leftists (Rap song)]] and [[Essay: Attention British, militant atheists! Brace yourself for the mighty, religious wave that is coming|Attention British, militant atheists! Brace yourself for the mighty, religious wave that is coming]]
:::Resistance is futile. And I trust this helps further clarify things for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:51, November 15, 2022 (EST)
::Robert Barnes: [https://youtu.be/jBDGjQHbWGQ "Imagine if Putin run an election, and a week later they were still counting votes in Moscow."] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:46, November 15, 2022 (EST)
== ''New York Times'' sees Fetterman as a model ==
No, I am not kidding. This is the headline on today's NYT: "[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/us/politics/fetterman-pennsylvania-voters-democrats.html Democrats See a Blueprint in Fetterman's Victory in Pennsylvania]." What's the "Fetterman blueprint"? First, you have a debilitating stroke. Keep the extent of your injuries secret until most mail-in ballots are already sent in. Then you let an AI program tell you what to say at the only debate. If anyone questions the ethics of this strategy, tell them they are phobic against people with disabilities. If that's not enough, find another homeless guy to attack Paul Pelosi. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:09, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:Better yet, have the homeless who attacked Pelosi run for Senate. He seems representative of the people of California. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:02, November 13, 2022 (EST)
== Jimmy Dore on the main page - Ukrainian giving Nazi salute during Ukrainian celebration parade over victory in Kherson. ==
I realize that Jimmy Dore is not a conservative comedian. But I laughed when Jimmy Dore said that the Ukrainian was hailing a cab and not giving a Nazi salute (see: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px51U_pfOB4 CNN Banned From Ukraine After Showing N@zi Salute])
Funny is funny. I find Jimmy Dore to be a funny comedian even though he leans to left politically. I like his "stickin' it to the man" kind of comedy."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:46, November 15, 2022 (EST)
:My favorite is this one, [https://youtu.be/2rHqT-Bsmkg "Son of a gun. It's a swastika!"] He criticizes ''Reuters'' cuz it happened again right after ''Reuters'' did [[Ukrainian_propaganda_war#Chemical_weapons|this one with the victorious Ukrainian troops]] who took Kharkov with paintball guns. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 00:23, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::NBC News is the only legacy media company willing to admit that Ukraine has a significant Nazi problem. I agree with the NBC News article [https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't].
::I believe that Putin went into Ukraine for various reasons (Ukraine was looking to join NATO which Putin/Kremlin didn't like, gas reserves found in Eastern Ukraine, Russian nationalists in Eastern Ukraine treated badly by Ukraine, Orange Revolution may have been largely/significantly instigated by CIA and Western NGOs, etc.). I don't think de-Nazisifiction is the big reason why Putin went into Ukraine. Ukraine has had a Nazi problem for some time. In addition, the Russians don't have a great reputation on how they treat Jews with their various pograms, etc. And I have met many Jews who fled Russia due to discrimination. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:50, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:::This generation of Russians hasn't committed any pogroms, any more than you should have to pay [[reparations]] to [[African American]]s for slavery. The legacy of both Czarism ''and'' Soviet Communism is, Russia has the most "[[tolerance]] for [[diversity]]" on the planet.
:::Putin went into Ukraine on February 24 because the NATO trained army had amassed 120,000 troops - half the Ukraine army at that time - along essentially what is the front line of contact right now. And that army, with NATO-backing, tanks and artillery, was set to begin rolling over civilians on March 8, who were defending themselves with a 40,000 man militia.
::::So while American media was echoing Biden [[DNI]] [[Avril Haines]] day-after-day since November 2021, screaming "Putin has amassed 120,000 troops on Ukraine's border!", it ignored Russian media and Putin saying "Ukraine has amassed 120,000 troops along the [[Donbas]]!" (all of this is a matter of cited record in [[Conservapedia]]), as well as the fact ''who'' those troops were, i.e. Nazis, and their record of atrocities for the past 8 years.
::::America engineered this war, and America wanted this war.
:::As to the Nazis, yes, they've been there a long time. But it was the US that empowered them in 2014. Like Jimmy Dore said, if you didn't like the Putin-backed regime, you vote them out. You don't hire a bunch of Nazis to kill people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:24, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::::Go back and watch the Vladimir Pozner video. He says how the Russian people listened to America for many years talk about democracy. Then they gave in and tried it in 1991. Not 15 years later, under Obama and [[Victoria Nuland]], America flushed "democracy" down the toilet by empowering the Nazis. They won't be fooled again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:33, November 16, 2022 (EST)
Societies change slowly. A society can't "try" democracy, it has to fully commit to it and thoroughly educate its population. Conquered Germany and Japan were literally forced to practice democracy after WWII which is an irony of history. The USA was enough of a benevolent occupier of Germany and Japan that democracy took root. For example, [[Douglas MacArthur]] helped "the Japanese to recover from the aftermath of the war—poverty, starvation and despair."[https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3123&context=etd] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:15, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:As Vladimir Pozner said, ''why didn't America offer Russia a [[Marshall Plan]] after 1991?'' They did the [[fascist]] countries, but not Russia. Instead, they sent in all the [[globalist]] looters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:31, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::So let's ask: ''Why are Ukrainian schoolchildren taught to give the Nazi salute (by extension - "taught to hate")?''
::Answer: Cause since 1945, the Soviet Union came down hard on people who gave the Nazi salute, displayed Nazi insignia, or shared Nazi ideas. Likewise in Germany and much of all Central and Western Europe laws were passed against open displayal of Nazi symbols, [[Holocaust denial]], etc. In the [[United States]], we adopted "[[hate speech]]" laws since the 1970s. In Ukraine, the anti-[[extremist]] laws and enforcement remained in place after 1991. However, unlike Germany, the Nazi party ''was not'' outlawed, and various Nazi groups ''were'' elected to Parliament in the name of "democracy", albeit a minority.
::In the years before the Maidan coup, the United States began emboldening these groups, and the "Russian-backed" government's secret police, the Bercut, became overwhelmed and could no longer deal with number of extremists (in the old days, the Bercut would just kidnap them, beat them up, and blacklist them from employment, kinda like the KGB did for many years.} The U.S. money pumped into Ukraine offered these blacklisted extremists income and employment, if they'd just do Western globalists dirty work and help overthrow the "Russia-backed regime".
::So that's what you have today, a bunch of Russia haters who proudly wear the swastika, kinda like waving a red flag before a bull, whereas the whole Russian civilization of 130 ethnic groups have for centuries lived by the words, "we must love each other, or we must die." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:17, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:::[[Cleft country|Cleft countries]], like Ukraine, are powderkegs. Trump handled the Russia/Ukrainian situation well. Biden/Harris did not. That's the sad truth of the situation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:21, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::::That's just it - the cleft country of Ukraine is an artificial creation. And the borders now will be redrawn. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:22, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::::And no, Trump did not handle it well - he was impeached over it. And he was accused of being a Russian stooge from day one, which destroyed his ability to govern. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 06:24, November 16, 2022 (EST)
The Democrats are an unreasonable lot who wanted to impeach at the drop of a hat. The whole Biden/Ukraine/bribery issue should have been investigated. "...to search out a matter is the glory of kings." - Proverbs 25:2. I realize that Trump was not a king, but he was head of state and the executive branch should investigate wrongdoing at the federal level.
Sometimes it takes time to resolve matters. It does look like there is a recession coming and Biden is very unpopular. A Republican president will likely be elected in 2024.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enjBl33gYzM][https://electionbettingodds.com/President2024.html]
Anyways, I am going to bow out of the conversation. I want to take care of some things before the beginning of the day. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:36, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:OMG, ''"A Republican president will likely be elected in 2024."'' Please please please, don't start that again. History is organic, let it play out. Even be part of it. But give up this gypsie fortune telling crap, please. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:57, November 16, 2022 (EST)