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I allso got debressed when i read forward on the article, it's filled with same kind of mistakes, that are so blatant that they must be deliberatly made, for example in the talk about the "hockey stick" chart, to which you put too much emphasis anyways, it's in no way specially important to the study of global warming, you "forget" to mention that there has been response to all the critisism, and actually McKitrick and McIntyre are the ones who have some explaining to do. and thats not all, the Hockey stick graph has been defended afterwards by National Academy of Sciences, Nature, the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and the American Meteorological Society. There is allso a new study by Ammann and Eugene Wahl of Alfred University, who have analyzed the Mann-Bradley-Hughes (MBH) climate field reconstruction and reproduced the MBH results using their own computer code. They found that the MBH method is robust even when numerous modifications are employed. i put the link to that study down below. So i hope all these facts get to the article as well, as they should if this site really tryes to be truthfull. But all this can wait, please answer first to my questions about the global warming consensus and then we can continue to this subject. [http://crookedtimber.org/2004/08/25/mckitrick-mucks-it-up ][http://alba.jrc.it/blog/climate/?p=61] [http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2005/ammann.shtml] [http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pdf] [http://logicalscience.blogspot.com/2007/06/wall-street-journal-op-eds-distorting_06.html] [[User:HeikkiL|HeikkiL]] 16:42, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
 
I allso got debressed when i read forward on the article, it's filled with same kind of mistakes, that are so blatant that they must be deliberatly made, for example in the talk about the "hockey stick" chart, to which you put too much emphasis anyways, it's in no way specially important to the study of global warming, you "forget" to mention that there has been response to all the critisism, and actually McKitrick and McIntyre are the ones who have some explaining to do. and thats not all, the Hockey stick graph has been defended afterwards by National Academy of Sciences, Nature, the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and the American Meteorological Society. There is allso a new study by Ammann and Eugene Wahl of Alfred University, who have analyzed the Mann-Bradley-Hughes (MBH) climate field reconstruction and reproduced the MBH results using their own computer code. They found that the MBH method is robust even when numerous modifications are employed. i put the link to that study down below. So i hope all these facts get to the article as well, as they should if this site really tryes to be truthfull. But all this can wait, please answer first to my questions about the global warming consensus and then we can continue to this subject. [http://crookedtimber.org/2004/08/25/mckitrick-mucks-it-up ][http://alba.jrc.it/blog/climate/?p=61] [http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2005/ammann.shtml] [http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pdf] [http://logicalscience.blogspot.com/2007/06/wall-street-journal-op-eds-distorting_06.html] [[User:HeikkiL|HeikkiL]] 16:42, 3 July 2007 (EDT)
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== Solar variation and global warming ==
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A recently published study discounts this.  The full text of the study can be found in http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070702/full/448008a.html .  For those that lack a subscription to Nature, various journalists commenting on the article: [http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn12234-suns-activity-rules-out-link-to-global-warming.html] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/07/11/scisun111.xml] [http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2123448,00.html] [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6290228.stm] .  I hope that this material can be properly integrated into the main article.  --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 14:02, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
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