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:::Dodi Fayed's kid could become king, but not Tony Blair's.  In the US, this is not only unconstitutional, most living American's would be outraged at the even the suggestion of such a law.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:08, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

:::Dodi Fayed's kid could become king, but not Tony Blair's.  In the US, this is not only unconstitutional, most living American's would be outraged at the even the suggestion of such a law.  [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:08, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

== Errors in the article == +  

== Errors in the article ==   

- I will quote the error and explain why it's wrong. I can't edit the article so I expect someone to make these necessary changes. +  

I will quote the error and explain why it's wrong. I can't edit the article so I expect someone to make these necessary changes.   

   

   

- "Many of the most notoriously oppressive dictatorships have been socialist, such as the Soviet Union and National Socialist Germany" + 

"Many of the most notoriously oppressive dictatorships have been socialist, such as the Soviet Union and National Socialist Germany"  

   

   

- :National Socialist Germany was not socialist. It's laughable to claim that the best example throughout history of a fascist government was socialist. Hitler backed the fascists against the republicans and the socialists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936. + 

:National Socialist Germany was not socialist. It's laughable to claim that the best example throughout history of a fascist government was socialist. Hitler backed the fascists against the republicans and the socialists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936.  

   

   

- "socialism stresses the privileges of the nomenklatura over the rights of workers and earners."   

"socialism stresses the privileges of the nomenklatura over the rights of workers and earners."   

   

   

:Maybe it could be argued that Communism in actuality exhibits this feature but this article is about socialism as an intellectual idea. Socialism is very much a worker's rights philosophy. I've never even heard of this term 'nomenklatura'. I'd like to see a scholarly source for this claim. + 

:Maybe it could be argued that Communism in actuality exhibits this feature but this article isn't about Communism it's about socialism as an intellectual idea. Socialism is very much a worker's rights philosophy. I've never even heard of this term 'nomenklatura'. I'd like to see a scholarly source for this claim.

    

    

- "Wage earners suffer under Socialism, as it is hard to get paid in a system that discourages private persons from accumulating income." + 

"Wage earners suffer under Socialism, as it is hard to get paid in a system that discourages private persons from accumulating income."  

    

    

- :See European Union and the higher standard of living under their socialist regime that they enjoy compared to Americans. + 

:See European Union and the higher standard of living under their socialist regime that they enjoy compared to Americans.  

   

   

- "Karl Marx considered socialism to be a transitory stage between capitalism and communism."  

"Karl Marx considered socialism to be a transitory stage between capitalism and communism."  

- :This is just wrong and betrays a lack of knowledge of what Karl Marx wrote. +  

:This is just wrong and betrays a lack of knowledge of what Karl Marx wrote.   

   

   

- "A major criticism of socialism is that it infringes individual rights in favor of the populace." +  

"A major criticism of socialism is that it infringes individual rights in favor of the populace."   

   

   

- :Whose major criticism? Should this be juxtaposed to Liberalism (a belief I expect the author would equally dislike) in which the rights of the minority are given weight over the will of the majority? +  

:Whose major criticism? Should this be juxtaposed to Liberalism (a belief I expect the author would equally dislike) in which the rights of the minority are given weight over the will of the majority?   

   

   

- "Although socialist parties are common in Europe, the leading examples all currently embrace some free enterprise, individual property rights and certain other aspects of capitalism" +   

"Although socialist parties are common in Europe, the leading examples all currently embrace some free enterprise, individual property rights and certain other aspects of capitalism" +   

- :This sentence contradicts everything the article just stated about socialism. In sum the article says: "Socialism is this and this and this, however, most socialists are none of those things" +  

- :This sentence contradicts everything the article just stated about socialism. In sum the article says: "Socialism is this and this and this, however, most socialists are none of those things"   

   

   

- "In many European countries socialism has been changing to Social democracy." + 

"In many European countries socialism has been changing to Social democracy."  

   

   

- :Where does this information come from? This betrays a lack of knowledge of European political parties. There is a Democratic Socialist party which is very distinct from other socialist parties. +  

:Where does this information come from? This betrays a lack of knowledge of European political parties. There is a Democratic Socialist party which is very distinct from other socialist parties.   

   

   

- I think if this website or the authors and readers of it have any earnest desire to seek after the truth then very major changes are necessary. + 

I think if this website or the authors and readers of it have any earnest desire to seek after the truth then very major changes are necessary.

    

    

- This is by no means a defense of socialism though I am one. However, you can't intellectually debate a movement or a philosophy by assuming it is one thing or constructing a strawman out of it and debating against that construction. You should know the truth about it. For example, I don't believe in fascism, but I won't argue against fascism by first claiming that all fascists are pedophiles and because pedophilia is wrong so is fascism. +  

This is by no means a defense of socialism though I am one. However, you can't intellectually debate a movement or a philosophy by assuming it is one thing or constructing a strawman out of it and debating against that construction. You should know the truth about it. For example, I don't believe in fascism, but I won't argue against fascism by first claiming that all fascists are pedophiles and because pedophilia is wrong so is fascism.   

- Again, I would contribute to the article myself but there's no option for an edit. + 

Again, I would contribute to the article myself but there's no option for an edit.

- Thanks [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 16:18, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

Thanks [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 16:18, 10 August 2007 (EDT)