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| | :::Except that in basketball the opposing coach doesn't get to campaign to get the other team's players charged with fouls. That decision is made by an independent referee in real time. There were no independent referees during the contest, and it will be quite difficult for them to judge now after the fact since some contributors did not mark there contributions individually, such as [[User:BethanyS/Contest|Bethany]] who's edit summary for Day 1 is simply "Links to Lectures:324 pt." Additionally, let's say I was playing basketball with you and I traveled, it doesn't mean that you get to penalize me for every point I scored in the game that far. There is no game in the world where the outcome is changed weeks after the contest is concluded based on complaints by the participants. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 23:48, 24 November 2007 (EST) | | :::Except that in basketball the opposing coach doesn't get to campaign to get the other team's players charged with fouls. That decision is made by an independent referee in real time. There were no independent referees during the contest, and it will be quite difficult for them to judge now after the fact since some contributors did not mark there contributions individually, such as [[User:BethanyS/Contest|Bethany]] who's edit summary for Day 1 is simply "Links to Lectures:324 pt." Additionally, let's say I was playing basketball with you and I traveled, it doesn't mean that you get to penalize me for every point I scored in the game that far. There is no game in the world where the outcome is changed weeks after the contest is concluded based on complaints by the participants. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 23:48, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | + | :::: Right, but the decision here is also made by an independent judges, and certainly in basketball the coaches do have a big influence in complaining to the refs and alerting them to improper conduct. I vividly recall watching a college game where the coach yelled the ref and pointed him to a foul against his star player, and the ref, upon being alerted, promptly called the foul. There, as here, it is the ref who makes the call. The same is true in litigation. While preferably these calls are made during the contest, the second best alternative is a system where good calls are made after the contest but before a winner is declared, as in boxing.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:58, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | * With reluctance, I feel compelled to challenge TK's 280 points which are apparently based on assigning (or merely changing?) one obscure category in a hundred or so entries. I may be mistaken but don't immediately see the value in that re-categorization, even though under a hyper-literal reading of the rules it may be entitled to points. In the quality spirit of the contest, I think these points require a challenge. | | * With reluctance, I feel compelled to challenge TK's 280 points which are apparently based on assigning (or merely changing?) one obscure category in a hundred or so entries. I may be mistaken but don't immediately see the value in that re-categorization, even though under a hyper-literal reading of the rules it may be entitled to points. In the quality spirit of the contest, I think these points require a challenge. |
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| | * Also, while TK obviously did a splendid job picking his team, I wonder if there should be additional scrutiny and possibly a penalty for how a captain manages his players during a contest. I ended up having to divert precious time and effort from my team towards policing a player on TK's team, and while I'm not seeking points for that effort, I do think judges should consider assessing captains based on unsportsmanlike conduct by their players. I think the analogy in basketball may be the "technical foul" award against a captain or entire team. As I said in my comments to BrianCo above, I hope there is good sportsmanship in reaction to these challenges and that nothing here is taken personally. I do think that challenges and some accountability enhances the contests and will lead to even greater achievements next time!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:43, 24 November 2007 (EST) | | * Also, while TK obviously did a splendid job picking his team, I wonder if there should be additional scrutiny and possibly a penalty for how a captain manages his players during a contest. I ended up having to divert precious time and effort from my team towards policing a player on TK's team, and while I'm not seeking points for that effort, I do think judges should consider assessing captains based on unsportsmanlike conduct by their players. I think the analogy in basketball may be the "technical foul" award against a captain or entire team. As I said in my comments to BrianCo above, I hope there is good sportsmanship in reaction to these challenges and that nothing here is taken personally. I do think that challenges and some accountability enhances the contests and will lead to even greater achievements next time!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:43, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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| | + | :: In furtherance to my challenge to TK as captain, I suggest the independent judges consider assessing a penalty when ''any'' captain allows his players to run up the score using methods that are later found to be questionable. Running up the score is generally disfavored in any contest, and in an ideal contest I think a captain should have a duty to channel his talent towards productive activity when way ahead. It's a bit like a football team taking a cheap shot, or running a trick play, when they are already ahead 40-0. It's unsportsmanlike, I feel, and worth reviewing. But I defer completely to our independent judges in the hope of improving future contests, and hope that good sportsmanship is on the receiving end of all challenges.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:58, 24 November 2007 (EST) |
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