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Using your literal interpretation it might. And when it comes to astronomy, scientists can actually look in the past, that thats a different issue. And don't tell me that they observe it in the present, because the creation account, also happened in the past, was written is the past, and the only thing you can do is read it in the present. Your island of refuge is that the past is the past. That is a very small island.

Using your literal interpretation it might. And when it comes to astronomy, scientists can actually look in the past, that thats a different issue. And don't tell me that they observe it in the present, because the creation account, also happened in the past, was written is the past, and the only thing you can do is read it in the present. Your island of refuge is that the past is the past. That is a very small island.

Of course you do think to be one of the wiser brethren. Otherwise you wouldn't defend you position. But Augustine statement is a warning, and as with any warning one should try to assess if the warning applies to oneself. I might might factual mistakes in my arguments, but even if I did I do not use the scripture to defend my position, so there his warning doesn't really apply to me. Whether it applies to you, you may decide for yourself. Your argument is that it does only not apply to you, because you are right on the scientific part. If that is true, you are set. [[User:Order|Order]] 21:14, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Of course you do think to be one of the wiser brethren. Otherwise you wouldn't defend you position. But Augustine statement is a warning, and as with any warning one should try to assess if the warning applies to oneself. I might make factual mistakes in my arguments, but even if I did, I do not use the scripture to defend my position, so his warning doesn't really apply to me. Whether it applies to you, you may decide for yourself. Your argument is that it does only not apply to you, because you are right on the scientific part. If that is true, you are set. [[User:Order|Order]] 21:14, 18 December 2007 (EST)

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