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: I ''do'' want people to use all the same tools to get to reasonably certain conclusions. But those tools include using reliable historical documents such as the Bible, instead of ''a priori'' excluding them for philosophical reasons, then claiming that as 'science'.
: I ''do'' want people to use all the same tools to get to reasonably certain conclusions. But those tools include using reliable historical documents such as the Bible, instead of ''a priori'' excluding them for philosophical reasons, then claiming that as 'science'.
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:36, 29 December 2007 (EST)
: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:36, 29 December 2007 (EST)
::Sorry if I'm interrupting something, but I'm going to clarify Order's earlier statement about non-Euclidean geometries. In non-Euclidean geometries, the dropped assumption is Euclid's fifth postulate. See [http://mathworld.wolfram.com/EuclidsPostulates.html Mathworld] for more information. [[User:CSGuy|CSGuy]] 13:17, 29 December 2007 (EST)
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