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: Please tell me, Jparenti, that your joking?  The Big Bang is a case of taking an ideology (naturalism: that there is no God) and molding a theory around it, instead of trying to describe the natural world for what it is.  The authors of the last two mentioned are scientists who have worked (Humphreys) or still work (Hartnett) in secular research, and are designing their ideas on the basis of established scientific principles.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 19:45, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
 
: Please tell me, Jparenti, that your joking?  The Big Bang is a case of taking an ideology (naturalism: that there is no God) and molding a theory around it, instead of trying to describe the natural world for what it is.  The authors of the last two mentioned are scientists who have worked (Humphreys) or still work (Hartnett) in secular research, and are designing their ideas on the basis of established scientific principles.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 19:45, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
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::You are mistaken.  Nowhere in the theories that hypothesize a Big Bang is there a specific mention that "God didn't do it".  You are simply assuming that God couldn't use a Big Bang to create the universe, and that's pretty presumptive of you, considering I don't think God would consult with us first.  This type of thinking is what's wrong with Conservapedia, and I feel it necessary to examine that position and show why it is fallacious.  You can have God and the Big Bang, if you so choose.  And this article is based on no scientific evidence whatsoever.  It's based on the fact that you don't believe the universe is more than 6,000 years old.  That's forcing your science into your ideology, and it isn't necessary, because nothing in the Bible contradicts the actual theories.  [[User:Jparenti|Jparenti]] 10:23, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
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