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Talk:Extraterrestrial life (view source)
Revision as of 21:32, August 23, 2008
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[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:33, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:33, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
::::Thank you for your thought-out responses, Philip. First I would like to address the assertion that God is not complicated. God is usually defined as eternal, infinite, omniscient, omnipotent, and ultimately 'unknowable' to humanity. Considering that the universe and everything in it is very complicated (a point made frequently by intelligent design proponents) any being capable of knowing about all of it at once should be very complicated. Whether or not He is composed of "parts" shouldn't have any bearing on this. Conceivably, the fact that He is immaterial would make his existence even '''more''' confounding to us, since by no "simple" means can mind exist without body. So, God is not a "simple" answer for anything.
::::You also make the erroneous claim that evolution and natural selection is a more complicated explanation for all of life because ''"natural selection is a culling process, removing the less fit. You need some other mechanism to produce the more fit."'' You are absolutely correct. However, there are numerous documented cases of spontaneous mutations producing "more fit" specimen. Bacteria periodically "adapt" to the vaccines, meaning we have to create new vaccines. Indeed it seems that "some other mechanism" is producing more fit bacteria. There are now many recorded cases of people in the world who seem to be immune to HIV/AIDs http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/27/aids.features . Somehow, all across the realm of nature, more fit individuals are being produced by "some mechanism."
::::Moving onto anthropocentric cosmology, I will assume for one moment that ''"it's possible ... that the Earth is at the centre of the universe."'' How could this reasonably be ''possible'' considering the well established fact that our Earth circumnavigates the sun every year? Is everything else in the universe simply moving around in such a way to ensure that the Earth remains in the center?
::::And, if in fact the Earth is in the center of the universe, therefore making it the most important thing in existence, then whatever is at the center of Earth is the most important thing in creation. By your own logic, the molten core of the Earth (or whatever you think is in the center of the Earth, possibly Hell) is more important than all of humanity.
::::The Bible tells us that, as mere humans, we are to be humble. How then can either of you excuse walking around assuming everything in the universe revolves around us, and that all 3,230,441,870,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic miles of the cosmos was made for the benefit of providing dim night lights for us {{Bible ref|book=Genesis|chap=1|verses=17}}. People accuse evolutionists of worshiping man, saying that humans are the "pinnacle of evolution" (we're not, really). Yet evolutionists constantly point out that we are not centered in the universe, that there is nothing specially significant about us, etc., while at the same time, creationists, supposedly humble before God, seem to sincerely believe that everything in the universe is centered around humans, and that all of Earth is made for humans to trash. Who is really worshiping man before all else?
::::These points aside, I will now go ahead and make the changes I have described earlier: Some Christians, specifically CS Lewis and the Vatican, have discussed extraterrestrial life from within an [[Exotheology|exotheological]] perspective. Both seem to think aliens would be free from Original Sin because they are not from Earth, which makes sense. --[[User:Stirlatez|Stirlatez]] 17:32, 23 August 2008 (EDT)