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, 08:19, September 27, 2008→Hi, Philip: Odd logic, measurable cutoffs, and carrying it back forever.
:Again, I really don't see a law as endorsement. In other words, I don't think, if you went from 0 abortion laws to one that said abortion is legal after X weeks, that you would see a substantial increase in the number of people having abortions. Yes, there might be people who change their mind based on the law, but these people are most likely to be on the fence anyway.
:Again, I really don't see a law as endorsement. In other words, I don't think, if you went from 0 abortion laws to one that said abortion is legal after X weeks, that you would see a substantial increase in the number of people having abortions. Yes, there might be people who change their mind based on the law, but these people are most likely to be on the fence anyway.
:One comment about the "one day before" analogy. For one, yes I'm against killing a baby one day before it would be born, but there *is* a fundamental difference between a baby that's within the womb and one that's without. You can't carry your "one day before" analogy back forever, so even there you have to draw a line somewhere. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 23:47, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
:One comment about the "one day before" analogy. For one, yes I'm against killing a baby one day before it would be born, but there *is* a fundamental difference between a baby that's within the womb and one that's without. You can't carry your "one day before" analogy back forever, so even there you have to draw a line somewhere. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 23:47, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
:: Using the point at which modern science can reliably sustain a baby outside the womb as the basis for making abortion illegal seems an odd sort of logic. If the basis for making abortion illegal is that it's wrong to kill innocent humans, then how can it be okay to kill babies of a certain age today, but not okay to kill babies of the same age in a few years' time when medical care has improved? As for it providing a "measurable cutoff point", there is no exact figure (the ability of science to keep a baby alive depends on many variables), and the most obvious "measurable cutoff point", and one that is not variable or subject to future change, is conception. And no, you can't carry the "one day before" analogy back forever. You can only carry it back to conception, the obvious place to "draw the line". [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
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