Talk:Jews

I'm pretty sure the Bible makes it clear that the Hebrews are God's chosen people, and the Hebrews are Jewish. --ColinR 14:54, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Not after Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant. Now the Christians are God's chosen people. --Luke-Jr 14:56, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Jews don't believe the New Testament. And the Bible doesn't change the fact that they believe they are the chosen people. --Hojimachong^talk 14:56, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Indeed, that's why I left "they think" when I reverted the vandalism earlier. --Luke-Jr 14:58, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Christians believe that their new pact with God supersedes Judaism, is the difference, yes, Hoji's right.-AmesG 00:46, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

There is a name for this view: supersessionism. It is regarded by many as a grave heresy. Christ's coming and the establishment of the Church did NOT abolish the covenant with Abraham. Christian Zionists abhor those with this belief, as does the RC Church. --Lohengrin 00:55, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Seriously? I thought supersessionism was a Catholic doctrine! Paul was the one that pioneered it! Or am I confusing him with that guy who was later excommunicated. You know the one. An original church father...errr... Origen? Or was it Tertullian?-AmesG 01:01, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

You are looking for Galations 5:6 and Galatians 6:12-13 which refers to circumcision (and by extension, the rest of the jewish law) to not be part of salvation. Acts 15:24 again mentions circumcision and clearly shows the break from the old testiment law. Again, Colossians 3:9-11 . A website on Galations talks about what the Galation controversy was and Paul's reaction to it.