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:But the phrase conflicts with much of what Jesus did say; Luke was not an eyewitness and yet this is purportedly a quote by Luke; and the phrase has obviously liberal connotations:  do whatever you like because even those who crucified Jesus were forgiven.  Essentially the quote is a denial of [[Hell]], when in fact Jesus emphasized the existence of Hell more than Heaven.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:01, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 
:But the phrase conflicts with much of what Jesus did say; Luke was not an eyewitness and yet this is purportedly a quote by Luke; and the phrase has obviously liberal connotations:  do whatever you like because even those who crucified Jesus were forgiven.  Essentially the quote is a denial of [[Hell]], when in fact Jesus emphasized the existence of Hell more than Heaven.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:01, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
 
::They didn't know that they were crucifying the Messiah, did they? If those who crucified Jesus became born again and lived a life following what Jesus taught, I'd think they would go to heaven. Oh, and probably none of the gospel writers are eye-witnesses. The names were later attributed to the books. If we were to say anything made by a non-eyewitness is false then you might as well not listen to all four Gospels. [[User:NP|NP]]
 
::They didn't know that they were crucifying the Messiah, did they? If those who crucified Jesus became born again and lived a life following what Jesus taught, I'd think they would go to heaven. Oh, and probably none of the gospel writers are eye-witnesses. The names were later attributed to the books. If we were to say anything made by a non-eyewitness is false then you might as well not listen to all four Gospels. [[User:NP|NP]]
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:::This may be a tangent, but what percent of Christians believe that [[Jesus came to die]] and that therefore those who "betrayed" or condemned or crucified him were doing a good deed? I don't mean this as a trick question, and I certainly don't intend to start a debate on a talk page. I just ask as a [[Unificationist]], since [[Unification Church|my church]] believes that [[Jesus did not come to die]], and that everything he accomplished by willing going the way of the cross could have been done just as effectively if he had been accepted by the Israelites. Should I elaborate on this somewhere? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:43, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
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