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What I attempted to put on Ed Poor's talk page. Will try again later.
The comment above, about consulting with sysops, referred to the fact that I was blocked and reverted by Daniel Pulido after an earlier attempt to discuss math, so I wanted to contact him by email to get his approval. But he has himself been blocked, so maybe things are OK.
The comment above, about consulting with sysops, referred to the fact that I was blocked and reverted by Daniel Pulido after an earlier attempt to discuss math, so I wanted to contact him by email to get his approval. But he has himself been blocked, so maybe things are OK.
While there are a huge number of things that need work in the mathematics area, I've picked out four that would be good to work on. I want to collaborate on these with Ed Poor, who is the other math expert currently around, so I have placed and extensive discussion on [[User_talk:Ed_Poor|his talk page]], which see. I'm also going to bring this to the attention of [[User:JamesWilson]], who may be another up-and-coming math contributor.
While there are a huge number of things that need in the mathematics area, I've picked out four that would be good to work on. I want to collaborate on these with Ed Poor, who is the other math expert currently around, so I have placed and extensive discussion on [[User_talk:Ed_Poor|his talk page]], which see. I'm also going to bring this to the attention of [[User:JamesWilson]], who may be another up-and-coming math contributor.
*[[Compass and straightedge]]—This has been rescued from "parody hell", but it needs much more work to present the material in a way that is logical and understandable to the target audience.
*[[Compass and straightedge]]—This has been rescued from "parody hell", but it needs much more work to present the material in a way that is logical and understandable to the target audience.
*[[Center]]—This has been a disaster for a long time. I really don't know how to write the "headline" sentence for this; that is, what's the first thing you say about what the "center" of a geometrical shape is? I solicit any insight that Ed (or anyone else) can provide.
*[[Center]]—This has been a disaster for a long time. I really don't know how to write the "headline" sentence for this; that is, what's the first thing you say about what the "center" of a geometrical shape is? I solicit any insight that Ed (or anyone else) can provide.
==For Ed Poor==
I attempted to edit the following onto Ed's talk page, but it said that it was locked so that only "registered users" (and admins...) can edit it. As far as I know, I am a registered user, and I have edited his talk page in recent weeks. In any case, here it is. I will try again later to move it to his talk page, and will send him email calling attention to this. Sorry about making a mess.
Ed:
Please see the bottom of my [[User:SamHB|user page]] for a summary of what I'd like do, in collaboration with you. I'm also going to call [[User:JamesWilson]]'s attention to this.
I've picked out 4 things that I think are interesting and fruitful to work on. I believe you have also been interested, to some extent, in each of these. I solicit your advice on how to proceed—which ones you would like me to work on, which one you want to work on yourself, and any advice you might have, or criticism of my past writing.
I'm quite serious about wanting comments from you on my past writing. You have, on many occasions, made your general philosophy known—making things understandable to the audience, as opposed to showing off the author's own expertise. And I am completely in agreement with it, as far as I know. But all previous attempts to get you to comment on my writing have been unsuccessful. In particular, there was quite a bit of discussion of the [[Algebra]] page, including my sending you, by email, a proposed draft of the article, along the lines that you had requested some time earlier in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?=Talk:Axiom_of_Choice&diff=579736&oldid=578639 this] comment. That email, at 2:15PM, Oct 3, 2010, also contained the following request:
::But, before doing that [rewriting the algebra page, which was attached], I'd like to know whether you think I'm on the right track. Please let me know. Better yet, edit it [my attachment] on top of the existing page.
I later (after getting unblocked) made the edit myself, and you have neither reverted it nor commented on it. I'm fairly sure that you find it satisfactory, but a word from you would be most helpful.
There aren't many math contributors around these days. With the possible exception of James Wilson, you and I seem to be the only prolific and knowledgeable editors on this topic. But we have a combined math SAT score or 1530, so we really ought to be able to do a good job. Please work with me.
Here are the four articles that I have picked out; I have also summarized them on my own talk page.
*[[Compass and straightedge]]—This needs more work. You say that you never took plane geometry, but went straight into analytic geometry. My suggestion is that ''you'' work on this, for just that reason. You could give the article a fresh perspective. And Andy has often said something like (can't find an exact reference just now) "It's more educational to write a book than to read a book." Now I took plane geometry in 10th grade or whatever, and, because I was a math major in college, I could step in for the impossibility proofs. But I'd like your perspective on how to start the article.
*Elementary [[Algebra]]—This was the subject of the mail alluded to above. What do you think of the changes that I made? Is the next step to talk about quadratic equations? Or perhaps polynomial factoring? Or something else? Would you like me to do it, or do you want to work on this yourself?
*Peano axioms—There is at present no article on this subject. I think it would be ''very'' interesting and fascinating for our readers. And it can be done in an accessible way. It's really not esoteric. Anyone old enough to appreciate what "theorems" are, and that you "prove" them (as opposed to taking your teacher's word for them), can appreciate this. People probably cross this threshold around 9th grade or so, usually in the context of elementary plane geometry. (I can't believe that you never took plane geometry! But I'm sure you developed an appreciation of proofs in whatever classes you were taking at the time.) Now most people have been doing ordinary arithmetic for a long time before learning about theorems, and they think they know that addition is commutative. So you go to these people and ask "So how do you know that addition is commutative? Can you give me a proof? Aha! '''That''' is what the Peano axioms are about.
*[[Center]]—This has been a disaster for a long time. I really don't know how to write the "headline" sentence for this; that is, what's the first thing you say about what the "center" of a geometrical shape is? Do you have any ideas? I'd really like to see your take on this article; I really don't know how to begin.
I await your reply and guidance.
[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:44, 28 November 2010 (EST)