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:It seems that ''Herrada'' and ''Munoz-Flores'' dealt with whether the final act was revenue-raising (both cases found it was not, and therefore neither law was subject to the origination clause).  There is actually a reasonable argument as to why PPACA falls into the same category of not being revenue-raising (and I'm sure it's one the defendants will assert, if the case even gets to the merits).  ''Armstrong'' suggests a test that if the final act is revenue-raising, then we must check that (1) it began as a House bill and (2) the House bill dealt with revenue (not necessarily raising revenue): if so, then the Senate properly exercised its power to amend revenue bills, which is allowed according to the Origination Clause.  PPACA would satisfy such a test (as HR 3590 was a House bill dealing with revenue).
 
:It seems that ''Herrada'' and ''Munoz-Flores'' dealt with whether the final act was revenue-raising (both cases found it was not, and therefore neither law was subject to the origination clause).  There is actually a reasonable argument as to why PPACA falls into the same category of not being revenue-raising (and I'm sure it's one the defendants will assert, if the case even gets to the merits).  ''Armstrong'' suggests a test that if the final act is revenue-raising, then we must check that (1) it began as a House bill and (2) the House bill dealt with revenue (not necessarily raising revenue): if so, then the Senate properly exercised its power to amend revenue bills, which is allowed according to the Origination Clause.  PPACA would satisfy such a test (as HR 3590 was a House bill dealing with revenue).
 
:Thank you for writing up a very informative article from the stub I created last year.  I look forward to looking through the brief when that becomes available.  [[User:GregG|GregG]] 10:34, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
 
:Thank you for writing up a very informative article from the stub I created last year.  I look forward to looking through the brief when that becomes available.  [[User:GregG|GregG]] 10:34, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
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::Greg, I appreciate your thoughts on this, but feel that ''Armstrong'' is an aberration.  Its reasoning is flawed and it conflicts with other decisions and with historical evidence.  ''Armstrong'' violates a basic principle of interpretation by rendering the constitutional word "raising" meaningless in "raising Revenue."
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::But let's continue to discuss.  I hope to post briefing and other documents here about this interesting issue.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:52, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
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