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'''Reply:''' Phyllis, I don't know where you got your information on sickle cell anemia but it was certainly a biased source. You have not given the full story; 25% of those with sickle cell anemia die prematurely! '''''This is not a good mutation.''''' As the closest thing to a good mutation that evolutionists can come up with this is not supportive of evolution at all.

'''Reply:''' Phyllis, I don't know where you got your information on sickle cell anemia but it was certainly a biased source. You have not given the full story; 25% of those with sickle cell anemia die prematurely! '''''This is not a good mutation.''''' As the closest thing to a good mutation that evolutionists can come up with this is not supportive of evolution at all.

'''Further Reply:'''  Overall the mutation sickle cell anemia is obviously harmful.  The same is true for all mutations.  Simple probability predicts this:  a random mutation is far more likely to reach a less desirable form.  The odds are overwhelming.  It is the same reason that heat always flows to cooler places.  If you think mutations can be beneficial, then do you also think heat can sometimes "by chance" flow to a hotter place?  That if we added billions of years it must happen sometimes?  Of course not.  It never happens.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)

'''Further Reply:'''  Overall the mutation sickle cell anemia is obviously harmful.  The same is true for all mutations.  Simple probability predicts this:  a random mutation is far more likely to reach a less desirable form.  The odds are overwhelming.  It is the same reason that heat always flows to cooler places.  If you think mutations can be beneficial, then do you also think heat can sometimes "by chance" flow to a hotter place?  That if we added billions of years it must happen sometimes?  Of course not.  It never happens.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)

--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:40, 13 January 2007 (EST)

'''Further Reply:''' I have no understanding of how heat flowing to cooler places is relevant to our discussion. Please elaborate. --[[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]]

: 5.  Species have being going extinct rather than being generated.

: 5.  Species have being going extinct rather than being generated.

::'''Counter''' This is not true. For example, through a specific type of sympatric speciation, new species of plants are able to form and have formed in abundance. It occurs from meiosis not occuring properly in the production of gametes. These "mutant" offspring are a new species and cannot produce offspring with the species they came from, yet can produce fertile offspring with other plants that were mutated the same way. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]]

::'''Counter''' This is not true. For example, through a specific type of sympatric speciation, new species of plants are able to form and have formed in abundance. It occurs from meiosis not occuring properly in the production of gametes. These "mutant" offspring are a new species and cannot produce offspring with the species they came from, yet can produce fertile offspring with other plants that were mutated the same way. --[[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]]

'''Reply:''' This is true; the statement above is only a general rule. what can be said for sure is that though mutations occur, there has never been a documented example of a organism '''''gaining''''' genetic information.--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:40, 13 January 2007 (EST)

'''Reply:''' This is true; the statement above is only a general rule. What can be said for sure is that though mutations occur, there has never been a documented example of a organism '''''gaining''''' genetic information.--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:40, 13 January 2007 (EST)

'''Further reply:'''  Right.  The mutant offspring devolved, not evolved.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)

'''Further reply:'''  Right.  The mutant offspring devolved, not evolved.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:01, 14 January 2007 (EST)

: 6.  All unaided things become more disordered and scattered over time.   

: 6.  All unaided things become more disordered and scattered over time.