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Revision as of 00:37, December 18, 2013
, 00:37, December 18, 2013your edit is the only mistake this article almost had - but i'm still working
:There are also other issues with this article - including random first person tense, casual sentence structure ("Indeed ..."), significant amounts of undue weight (an entire section of one sentence on George W. Bush?, highlighted quotes on Che Guevarra?) and inconsistent citation style. I don't have access to the books cited and I think I can find the same information through online primary and secondary sources so I'm starting from scrap. I will be starting with four general biography sources to create an outline for the article - the sources are the New York Times - a liberal American paper, All Africa, The Nelson Mandela Foundation (supplementary only due to obvious bias) and the Independent - a conservative British news source.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 11:53, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:There are also other issues with this article - including random first person tense, casual sentence structure ("Indeed ..."), significant amounts of undue weight (an entire section of one sentence on George W. Bush?, highlighted quotes on Che Guevarra?) and inconsistent citation style. I don't have access to the books cited and I think I can find the same information through online primary and secondary sources so I'm starting from scrap. I will be starting with four general biography sources to create an outline for the article - the sources are the New York Times - a liberal American paper, All Africa, The Nelson Mandela Foundation (supplementary only due to obvious bias) and the Independent - a conservative British news source.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 11:53, 10 December 2013 (EST)
::The Independent is not a "conservative" British news source. As even Time magazine [http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1975936,00.html#ixzz2nkwRfbkg admits], The Independent is "an internationalist, liberal alternative to the right-leaning Telegraph and the more centrist Times of London." That means all four sources are liberal or left-wing.[[User:FOIA|FOIA]] 13:04, 17 December 2013 (EST)
::The Independent is not a "conservative" British news source. As even Time magazine [http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1975936,00.html#ixzz2nkwRfbkg admits], The Independent is "an internationalist, liberal alternative to the right-leaning Telegraph and the more centrist Times of London." That means all four sources are liberal or left-wing.[[User:FOIA|FOIA]] 13:04, 17 December 2013 (EST)
::::I plan on throwing in other sources - look at the document now and for the most part it's bare-minimum fact stating. The only mistake the article almost made was when you put his Communist Party membership in the lead - a silly choice given his breaking up of Communist Party meeting prior to his joining - as Newt Gingrich said it was obvious that Mandela teamed with Communists because they were one of the few parties in South Africa that saw blacks as human beings.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 19:37, 17 December 2013 (EST)
::Its ok if you remove the quotes, but please mention his positions on Cuba and Communism.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:49, 10 December 2013 (EST)
::Its ok if you remove the quotes, but please mention his positions on Cuba and Communism.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] 13:49, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:::I one hundred percent will - I already have some of his Communist affiliation in there and I'll also include Cuba in the latter half of the article.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 13:55, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:::I one hundred percent will - I already have some of his Communist affiliation in there and I'll also include Cuba in the latter half of the article.--[[User:Iduan|Iduan]] 13:55, 10 December 2013 (EST)