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:::What page numbers in Ferrara's book and O'Brien's book?[[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:48, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
:::What page numbers in Ferrara's book and O'Brien's book?[[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:48, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
::::I don't have O'Brien's book on me, but I DO have a link to where it says it in the book. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/616533.html
::::And as far as Ferrara's book, you can find it on page 196 for the Adam and Eve Letter and his justification of the September Massacres in Paris, 152 regarding the Liberty tree, 202 for his love affair with the French Revolution, 193 for when he meddled in French affairs during the French Revolution and even drafting the Declaration of the Rights of Man, and 246 for his saying that "rivers of blood must flow to establish "rational government." And that's just for those directly relevant to the French Revolution. He also supported internment camps for loyalists according to page 161, supported punishing thought crimes against the Revolution in page 160, welcomed war if Northern states secede at Hartford Convention, imposed loyalty oath on Virginians in 160, railed against independent judiciary in 221, demanded vigorous national government and absolute acquiescence in majority will on page 213, advocated Southern secession on page 240, advocated suppressing Northern secession on page 227, and plenty of other things in there. Most of the founders have somethings in there that show their contradictory nature to liberty and also some questionable conservative stuff, but Jefferson takes up nearly a full page with all of his stuff, even George Washington, who Jefferson considered an apostate of liberty (and considering Washington ONLY had half a page in the index dedicated to him compared to Jefferson's full page, he may be right in a sense) didn't have as many under his belt, and yes, regarding the Jacobins, he did indeed advocate mass-murder. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:57, 23 July 2016 (EDT)