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→‎Objection to recent edit: It's a different ADF now from what it was pre-January 2017, and the intro to the entry should reflect what ADF is today. An historical section can be added about how it once did great work under prior management.
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:::But LifeSiteNews did not file an amicus brief in the Trump travel ban case.  ADF did, and went out of its way to distance itself from Trump.  It's as though someone when to someone else's party and announced to everyone that "he's no friend" of the host.  He's free to do that, and others are free to properly criticize him for it and speculate as to the motivation of the bizarre behavior.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:35, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
 
:::But LifeSiteNews did not file an amicus brief in the Trump travel ban case.  ADF did, and went out of its way to distance itself from Trump.  It's as though someone when to someone else's party and announced to everyone that "he's no friend" of the host.  He's free to do that, and others are free to properly criticize him for it and speculate as to the motivation of the bizarre behavior.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:35, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
 
::::I support criticizing ADF for that, but I do '''not''' support completely condemning (in the very first sentence) the ADF on the same level as a group like the SPLC or Koch just because of this, when it (unlike the other groups) still does some legitimately good work. Surely, we can find a way to criticize its problems while still noting the good work, like defending creationists or the pro-life clinic case today, or the pending prayer case, or the florist case. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:42, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
 
::::I support criticizing ADF for that, but I do '''not''' support completely condemning (in the very first sentence) the ADF on the same level as a group like the SPLC or Koch just because of this, when it (unlike the other groups) still does some legitimately good work. Surely, we can find a way to criticize its problems while still noting the good work, like defending creationists or the pro-life clinic case today, or the pending prayer case, or the florist case. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:42, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
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:::::ADF's lawsuit for the creation scientist referenced above lasted less than two months: [http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/update-creationist-geologist-wins-permit-collect-rocks-grand-canyon-after-lawsuit].
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:::::I'm open to an accurate description of ADF that reflects its work after its coup and change in leadership.  We strive to keep our entries up-to-date and forward-looking here.  It's a different ADF now from what it was pre-January 2017, and the intro to the entry should reflect what ADF is today.  An historical section can be added about how it once did great work under prior management.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:19, 26 June 2018 (EDT)
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