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::::This is where the rule of thumb, ''Discuss first, then revert'' comes in. Granted, there are users who insert commie agitprop that needs to be reverted instantly without discussion. Citations formatted from Wikipedia can be useful, the content needs to be reviewed. It's not a blanket rule. It's the speed at which a newbie is engaged that is intimidating  (I'd recommend [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221367707_Don't_bite_the_newbies_How_reverts_affect_the_quantity_and_quality_of_Wikipedia_work perusing]).  
 
::::This is where the rule of thumb, ''Discuss first, then revert'' comes in. Granted, there are users who insert commie agitprop that needs to be reverted instantly without discussion. Citations formatted from Wikipedia can be useful, the content needs to be reviewed. It's not a blanket rule. It's the speed at which a newbie is engaged that is intimidating  (I'd recommend [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221367707_Don't_bite_the_newbies_How_reverts_affect_the_quantity_and_quality_of_Wikipedia_work perusing]).  
 
::::Here's were the subject matter a user is working on applies. If the user shows interest in conservative subjects, for instance, they may be only 14 years old and their understanding of conservativism is not fully developed. But they have enthusiasm for the subject. Being reverted can have a devastating effect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:37, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
 
::::Here's were the subject matter a user is working on applies. If the user shows interest in conservative subjects, for instance, they may be only 14 years old and their understanding of conservativism is not fully developed. But they have enthusiasm for the subject. Being reverted can have a devastating effect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:37, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
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:::::I won't argue over this any further -- it's not worth arguing over. I will try not to "bite" new users and to be more engaging with them -- that said, I hope you and Conservative don't go too far in the other direction. We can't go so far in that direction that edits that clearly violate CP guidelines and reduce its quality are tolerated purely to avoid offending someone. The user should be treated respectfully and kindly, but they should also be expected to learn from their mistakes and change their editing, if there is a problem. It's a two-way street. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:00, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
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CP needs research assistants, copy editors, and people to do maintenance and formatting work, not just content contributers. Most wikis have a Don't Bite the Newbies policy. I find [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221367707_Don't_bite_the_newbies_How_reverts_affect_the_quantity_and_quality_of_Wikipedia_work this archived discussion useful.]  If CP doesn't have an official policy, it still is useful for CP Admins to know that reverting newcomers has the effect of limiting CP's user base. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:05, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
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:Other than people inserting nonsense and/pushing misleading/errant liberal/leftist tripe, I think this was an excellent post. A little politeness and diplomacy goes a long way.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:27, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
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::As a community, we should be trying to recruit editors and build committees with users who copyedit articles for spelling mistakes, formatting errors, etc. etc. etc.  This is a good entry level position for young people into the conservative movement. We shouldn't dampen their enthusiasm with quick reverts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 14:42, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
 
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