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Revision as of 04:21, November 28, 2019
, 04:21, November 28, 2019→I hope you agree with this edit I made to one of your articles
::::Do you think I should move the information into a "failure" section? It will stay in the article no matter what because it's a significant action, but I'm open to listing it as a failure. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::Do you think I should move the information into a "failure" section? It will stay in the article no matter what because it's a significant action, but I'm open to listing it as a failure. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
As far as American conservatives coming down on both sides of the fence, I would say that American conservatism has largely been a failure on social conservatism side (abortion, education, etc.). So a conservatism that doesn't conserve isn't conservative at all. It is argued that many conservatives weren't willing to fight and sully their uniforms and flew the flag of surrender quickly in term of social conservatism. Many people are so-called conservatives because they want respectability and social approval, so they quickly cave when opposition comes. Now [[Phyllis Schlafly]] was willing to get into the poltical trenches and fight for what she believed, but this wasn't true of American conservatism as a whole from 1960s up until Trump. But now you can see that Trump has given many conservatives a fighting spirit. Eventually, given their higher fertility rates, conservatives will likely win the culture war in the USA. But there has been a long period of defeatism. The problem essentially is that the label of "conservative" is ill-defined so people who are not conservative can easily call themselves conservative.
I just found out that sodomy laws didn't appear to exist in European countries such as England, Germany, France until after 1500. There were obviously Christians before 1500 so to call sodomy laws conservative in terms of Western Civilization would be a stretch. My guess is that the Reformation was a big influence in terms of countries eventually passing sodomy laws. And the spread of theologically conservative Protestantism does tend to cause countries/societies to be less tolerant of homosexuality. I know the Russian Orthodox church influenced Russia to be anti-homosexuality in its laws, but I don't know what the other Eastern Orthodox countries are like.
On the whole, since the most truly conservative portion of mankind's history was the garden of Eden before the fall, I would list the decriminalization of homosexuality as a failure![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:21, 27 November 2019 (EST)