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:::Actually, Lee is not alone, he is representative of many who perceive neo-gnostic influences in Protestantism, opposing authority of Church and State, opposing Catholicism, rejection of the good of material creation and marital relations as being a snare to the soul, lack of preaching on the bodily resurrection, the idea that moral behavior is optional. These are not part of biblical Christianity, only of those elements tending toward heresy. Do an online search on "Gnostic influences in the Protestant Reformers". That should explain why I included the material. I didn't really think that more than one representative source reflecting a summary of many others who also found the same influences was necessary. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:51, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br>See the following link, and you should be able to see what I mean:<br>https://www.bing.com/search?q=gnostic+influences+in+the+protestant+reformers&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=1fd7f74606f94e4990890c97ca4933b4&cc=US&setlang=en-US&plvar=0 '''Gnostic Influences in the Protestant Reformers''' <br> I hope this explains what I meant by "representative" of many researchers. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:55, 17 February 2020 (EST)
:::Actually, Lee is not alone, he is representative of many who perceive neo-gnostic influences in Protestantism, opposing authority of Church and State, opposing Catholicism, rejection of the good of material creation and marital relations as being a snare to the soul, lack of preaching on the bodily resurrection, the idea that moral behavior is optional. These are not part of biblical Christianity, only of those elements tending toward heresy. Do an online search on "Gnostic influences in the Protestant Reformers". That should explain why I included the material. I didn't really think that more than one representative source reflecting a summary of many others who also found the same influences was necessary. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:51, 17 February 2020 (EST)<br>See the following link, and you should be able to see what I mean:<br>https://www.bing.com/search?q=gnostic+influences+in+the+protestant+reformers&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=1fd7f74606f94e4990890c97ca4933b4&cc=US&setlang=en-US&plvar=0 '''Gnostic Influences in the Protestant Reformers''' <br> I hope this explains what I meant by "representative" of many researchers. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:55, 17 February 2020 (EST)
::::Fine. God-haters are a dime-a-dozen. His smut doesn't belong in a scriptural article with the [[Template:Christianity]] in it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:58, 17 February 2020 (EST)
::::Fine. God-haters are a dime-a-dozen. His smut doesn't belong in a scriptural article with the [[Template:Christianity]] in it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:58, 17 February 2020 (EST)
::*''"biblical Christianity."
::(A) You've proven by multitudinous mainspace and talk page postings you don't know what " biblical Christianity," is; (B) by your own words, you've '''denied''' what "biblical Christianity" is,<br> from [[Essay:_Water_baptism_cannot_save,_the_Church_cannot_save,_Born_again_by_faith_alone]]):
{{quotebox|::"You say,
:::''The argument seems to be:
:::*''The Bible, or Word of God, is not authoritative;
:::*'''''Salvation''' is dependent upon church membership;
:::*''While baptism qualifies a person for adoption into God's family, it is no guarantee; '''salvation''' still must be earned by good works, or at least the sacrificial death of Jesus is insufficient to cleanse one of certain sins.''}}
::Dataclarifier's response
{{quotebox|"Your analysis of the argument is a fairly accurate summary,"}}
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 20:11, 17 February 2020 (EST)