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On the Birth of Our Lord Jesus
:IMO the coinage argument is a good reason to think that Herod died in 4 BC, especially when this date is supported by several other lines of reasoning. Here is a full scholarly discussion: "[http://www.redatedkings.com/postings/Bernegger.pdf Affirmation of Herod's Death in 4 BC]."
:IMO the coinage argument is a good reason to think that Herod died in 4 BC, especially when this date is supported by several other lines of reasoning. Here is a full scholarly discussion: "[http://www.redatedkings.com/postings/Bernegger.pdf Affirmation of Herod's Death in 4 BC]."
:I see a couple of reasons to question that Jesus was born either under Herod or in Bethlehem. The nativity story is not in Mark, which is considered the most historical of the gospels. Not only does John not mention the story, he rebuts it: 'They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee”' (John 7:52, ESV). This is a reference to Micah 5:2: "But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah...from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel." The people who knew Jesus assumed that he was born in Galilee. And why not? The common folk of that time were generally born in the place that they grew up in. John doesn't correct those who assume a Galilee birth. Instead, he seems to be saying that none of that should matter. God can make Jesus the Son the Man whether or not he was born in Bethlehem or fulfills a popular prophesy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:25, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
:I see a couple of reasons to question that Jesus was born either under Herod or in Bethlehem. The nativity story is not in Mark, which is considered the most historical of the gospels. Not only does John not mention the story, he rebuts it: 'They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee”' (John 7:52, ESV). This is a reference to Micah 5:2: "But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah...from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel." The people who knew Jesus assumed that he was born in Galilee. And why not? The common folk of that time were generally born in the place that they grew up in. John doesn't correct those who assume a Galilee birth. Instead, he seems to be saying that none of that should matter. God can make Jesus the Son the Man whether or not he was born in Bethlehem or fulfills a popular prophesy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:25, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
All the Gospels are historical, and also inspired by the Holy Ghost, and therefore free from error, unlike uninspired records of secular history. Your earlier link contains an argument from coinage to date Herod's death to 1 B.C.: "Additional support for Philip having been officially appointed tetrarch after the death of his father in 1 B.C. may be found in numismatics. A number of coins issued by Philip during his reign are known. The earliest bear the date “year 5,” which would correspond to A.D. 1. This fits well with Philip serving as administrator under his father from 4–1 B.C. He counted those as the first four years of his reign, but since he was not officially recognized by Rome as an independent client ruler, he had no authority to issue coins during those years. However, he was in position to issue coinage soon after being named tetrarch sometime in 1 B.C., and the first coins appear the next year, A.D. 1, antedating his reign to 4 B.C. While the numismatic evidence is not conclusive proof of Herod’s death in 1 B.C., it is highly suggestive." Can you tell me how Jesus could just have begun to be about 30 years of age in Tiberius 15th year if born in 4 B.C.?
Agreed that Mic 5:2 is a Messianic prophesy. I mentioned it here: https://www.conservapedia.com/Prophesies_Fulfilled_by_Christ#XXI._Micah_5:2 but disagree with those claims of the Pharisees who wanted to insult Nicodemus in Jn 7. They asked him "are you from Galilee too?" as if only Galileans followed Christ. But Galilee had indeed been prophesied, and the Pharisees were ignorant of it, just like they were ignorant the Messiah was to be God (Mat 22:45; Psa 110:1). Here it is in Isaiah, Isa 9:1 "Nevertheless, that time of darkness and despair will not go on forever. The land of Zebulun and Naphtali will be humbled, but there will be a time in the future when Galilee of the Gentiles, which lies along the road that runs between the Jordan and the sea, will be filled with glory. 2The people who walk in darkness will see a great light. For those who live in a land of deep darkness,a light will shine." St. Matthew the Apostle, writing for the Hebrews in the Hebrew dialect, had already explained and quoted this prophesy to clear their doubt (Mat 4:14-16), and so St. John, who knew St. Matthew had already cited the passage, didn't need to do it again. St. Matthew the Apostle would not have believed that Jesus was Christ unless he was firmly convinced for himself that He was born in Bethlehem. Afterward, he wrote it for us that we also may believe.
God Bless.
== Did Jesus Christ Our Redeemer die for us on April 7, 30 A.D. or April 3, 33 A.D.? ==
== Did Jesus Christ Our Redeemer die for us on April 7, 30 A.D. or April 3, 33 A.D.? ==