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:There is much here, but lets glean a few specifics: the Apostles who witnessed his Resurrection, etc., were still of a "carnal mind", looking for restoration of the Kingdom as is was under David, forgetting that Jesus said ''my kingdom is not of this world''. They had not received the Holy Spirit yet.
 
:There is much here, but lets glean a few specifics: the Apostles who witnessed his Resurrection, etc., were still of a "carnal mind", looking for restoration of the Kingdom as is was under David, forgetting that Jesus said ''my kingdom is not of this world''. They had not received the Holy Spirit yet.
 
:So yes, I do believe the Bible in its entirety - that the "basest of men" can refer to the [[Apostolic succession]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 03:10, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:So yes, I do believe the Bible in its entirety - that the "basest of men" can refer to the [[Apostolic succession]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 03:10, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
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:And a brief comment: the question, "are ordinances of the Magisterium from man or God?" is no more of a loaded question than when Jesus asked, ''was the baptism of John from heaven or from man?'', of which we'll have more to say (Luke 4:2-8) as we move into a discussion of the Holy Spirit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 14:06, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
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was the baptism of John from heaven or from man?”
    
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==
 
==Scripture has authority over the Roman church==
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