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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 21:13, August 9, 2020
, 21:13, August 9, 2020→Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium
:::Wow. It was the Midianites who sold Joesph into slavery in Egypt, now on the reverse journey out of Egypt suddenly God is speaking through the mouth of a Midianite priest after which God commands
:::Wow. It was the Midianites who sold Joesph into slavery in Egypt, now on the reverse journey out of Egypt suddenly God is speaking through the mouth of a Midianite priest after which God commands
:::*'''Numbers 31:1-2, 7''' - ''And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people....And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:14, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::*'''Numbers 31:1-2, 7''' - ''And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people....And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:14, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Scripture does not say Jethro was among those slain. Moreover Jethro's descendants were included among the righteous people of Israel. Jethro's word is still true as the counsel of God. <br> Balaam was a prophet of God who spoke true prophecy: Numbers 24. He was killed as a wicked prophet. His words are true. <br> Moses was a murderer before he was called by God. He authored holy scripture. His words are true. <br> Saul of Tarsus was a murderous persecutor of Christians and blasphemer, by his own admission. He authored holy scripture. His words are true. <br> David sinned with Bathsheba and that brought a permanent curse on Israel: "''never shall the sword depart''". But David is a prophet of God. Acts 2:29-36. His Psalms are true. <br> Caiaphas the high priest who condemned Jesus to death with the consent of the Sanhedrin supporting his judgment was a prophet. John 11:49-52. His word was true. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:20, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::Scripture does not say Jethro was among those slain. Moreover Jethro's descendants were included among the righteous people of Israel. Jethro's word is still true as the counsel of God. <br> Balaam was a prophet of God who spoke true prophecy: Numbers 24. He was killed as a wicked prophet. His words are true. <br> Moses was a murderer before he was called by God. He authored holy scripture. His words are true. <br> Saul of Tarsus was a murderous persecutor of Christians and blasphemer, by his own admission. He authored holy scripture. His words are true. <br> David sinned with Bathsheba and that brought a permanent curse on Israel: "''never shall the sword depart''". But David is a prophet of God. Acts 2:29-36. His Psalms are true. <br> Caiaphas the high priest who condemned Jesus to death with the consent of the Sanhedrin supporting his judgment was a prophet. John 11:49-52. His word was true. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 16:20, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::You're actually veering closer to the truth with your comments on Moses and David, however God did not tell Moses to murder the Egyptian anymore than he told David or Abraham to sin with Bathsheba and Hagar. Moral of the story: God has entrusted his flock to fallible men and has never transferred his sovereignty to them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:13, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)