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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 22:01, August 9, 2020
, 22:01, August 9, 2020→Refutation: 1 Peter 1:13 and 2 Peter 1:20 do not support Roman Catholic Magisterium
::::::You're actually veering closer to the truth with your comments on Moses and David, however God did not tell Moses to murder the Egyptian anymore than he told David or Abraham to sin with Bathsheba and Hagar. Moral of the story: God has entrusted his flock to fallible men and has never transferred his sovereignty to them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:13, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::You're actually veering closer to the truth with your comments on Moses and David, however God did not tell Moses to murder the Egyptian anymore than he told David or Abraham to sin with Bathsheba and Hagar. Moral of the story: God has entrusted his flock to fallible men and has never transferred his sovereignty to them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:13, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Even being fallible, fallen sinners and corrupt murderers, their '''doctrine''' is true. What God says through them is the truth. That is the same guarantee of the truth of the interpretations of scripture and apostolic tradition by the interpretation of the [[Magisterium]] of the Church the one holy universal and apostolic body of Christ, the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail, guided forever into the truth by the Holy Spirit of truth, '''as promised infallibly by Jesus as recorded in the Gospel of John'''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:53, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Even being fallible, fallen sinners and corrupt murderers, their '''doctrine''' is true. What God says through them is the truth. That is the same guarantee of the truth of the interpretations of scripture and apostolic tradition by the interpretation of the [[Magisterium]] of the Church the one holy universal and apostolic body of Christ, the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail, guided forever into the truth by the Holy Spirit of truth, '''as promised infallibly by Jesus as recorded in the Gospel of John'''. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:53, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::::Well, I think God using two murderers, Moses and David, to author significant portions of his Word says more about God's grace and forgiveness. Perhaps that's why he used them. No one is disputing the veracity of the truth the wrote. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 18:01, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
:Second question: When Sarah suggested to Abraham that perhaps God meant to fulfill his promise to Abraham by taking her handmaid Hagar, was that ordained by God? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
::Yes (or it would not have happened). God told Abraham to do what his wife said. Genesis 10:9; 21:12. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:25, 9 August 2020 (EDT)