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Talk:Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? (view source)
Revision as of 16:26, August 25, 2020
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:::::::::Good! Then why do you repeatedly claim that the Christian is in under the authority men, and that the Bible commands submission to them? You know full well the scripture, ''ye are not under law but under grace''. ''God is not the author of confusion.'' Where then, does this confusion you repeatedly post come from? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Good! Then why do you repeatedly claim that the Christian is in under the authority men, and that the Bible commands submission to them? You know full well the scripture, ''ye are not under law but under grace''. ''God is not the author of confusion.'' Where then, does this confusion you repeatedly post come from? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::You also know full well that Jesus established the authority of the Church led into all the truth forever by the Spirit of truth and that the authority of the leaders of the Church is of God (2 Corinthians 5:19-20), not of men, and that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "The baptism of John: was it of God or of men? Answer me." A similar issue confronts the Bible Christian who denies and resists the higher authority of the church Jesus built on a rock, the church that is the pillar and foundation/ground/bulwark of the truth. Is the word of Jesus the word of God or of men? Answer. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:21, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::You also know full well that Jesus established the authority of the Church led into all the truth forever by the Spirit of truth and that the authority of the leaders of the Church is of God (2 Corinthians 5:19-20), not of men, and that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "The baptism of John: was it of God or of men? Answer me." A similar issue confronts the Bible Christian who denies and resists the higher authority of the church Jesus built on a rock, the church that is the pillar and foundation/ground/bulwark of the truth. Is the word of Jesus the word of God or of men? Answer. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:21, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::::No I don't. You keep mouthing the lines by the author of confusion that the Rock the Church is built upon ''is not'' Christ. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:26, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::Let me pause momentarily for a comment on ''render unto Caesar''; in both Catholic and Protestant sermons I've heard this to mean, "pay your taxes", while the teaching here, which is before everybody's face, is usually ignored. Jesus asks, ''Whose image and inscription is this?''. Man was created in God's image. Render unto God what is God's. Jesus is saying, render yourself unto God, this is by far a more important teaching for the Christian believer than "pay your taxes". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:23, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::Let me pause momentarily for a comment on ''render unto Caesar''; in both Catholic and Protestant sermons I've heard this to mean, "pay your taxes", while the teaching here, which is before everybody's face, is usually ignored. Jesus asks, ''Whose image and inscription is this?''. Man was created in God's image. Render unto God what is God's. Jesus is saying, render yourself unto God, this is by far a more important teaching for the Christian believer than "pay your taxes". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:23, 25 August 2020 (EDT)