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Talk:Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? (view source)
Revision as of 16:57, August 25, 2020
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:::The leaders of the Church are likewise the image of God. They are living stones (1 Peter 2:4-5). TThey are living stones (1 Peter 2:4-5). And they have authority established by God for there is no authority except what God has established, as given by him from the Holy Spirit distributing his gifts to them for their ministry, and whoever resists the authority receives condemnation. Render yourself unto God under their established authority which they have from him as instituted and ordained by him. Jesus told his representatives sent by him, "Whoever hears you hears Me, and whoever hears Me hears him who sent Me." They are ambassadors of God, as if God speaks by them, they urge you in the name of God, "Be reconciled to God." --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:30, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::The leaders of the Church are likewise the image of God. They are living stones (1 Peter 2:4-5). TThey are living stones (1 Peter 2:4-5). And they have authority established by God for there is no authority except what God has established, as given by him from the Holy Spirit distributing his gifts to them for their ministry, and whoever resists the authority receives condemnation. Render yourself unto God under their established authority which they have from him as instituted and ordained by him. Jesus told his representatives sent by him, "Whoever hears you hears Me, and whoever hears Me hears him who sent Me." They are ambassadors of God, as if God speaks by them, they urge you in the name of God, "Be reconciled to God." --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:30, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::There you are again. Preaching the authority of men and not the authority of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:36, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::There you are again. Preaching the authority of men and not the authority of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:36, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::They have the authority established by God. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:44, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::They have the authority established by God, the authority of God as his ambassadors, "God as it were speaking by us. We beseech you in the place of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:20.. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:44, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::If God is not the author of confusion, then who is the author of confusion? And make your answer relevant to who the Rock is in Matthew 16:18. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:46, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::If God is not the author of confusion, then who is the author of confusion? And make your answer relevant to who the Rock is in Matthew 16:18. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:46, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Expert linguists have pointed out that according to the structure of the Greek language the Greek vocabulary of Matthew 16:18 points to Peter, not to Christ as the rock referred to in that passage. Besides, as I pointed out elsewhere Christ the living stone and rock of our salvation is in Peter the rock and in all of the twelve foundations of the new Jerusalem and in all the living stones built into the temple of the Lord, the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, with himself and them as the foundation on which he built his church. So there is no contradiction in the truth that Christ in Peter built the church on himself in Peter the rock, as he explicitly stated. We and he are one Body of Christ. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:57, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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