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:::::They have the authority established by God, the authority of God as his ambassadors, "God as it were speaking by us. We beseech you in the place of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:20.. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:44, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::They have the authority established by God, the authority of God as his ambassadors, "God as it were speaking by us. We beseech you in the place of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:20.. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:44, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::If God is not the author of confusion, then who is the author of confusion? And make your answer relevant to who the Rock is in Matthew 16:18. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 12:46, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::If God is not the author of confusion, then who is the author of confusion? And make your answer relevant to who the Rock is in Matthew 16:18. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 12:46, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Expert linguists have pointed out that according to the structure of the Greek language the Greek vocabulary of Matthew 16:18 points to Peter, not to Christ as the rock referred to in that passage.<ref>https://biblehub.com/commentaries/meyer/matthew/16.htm '''Meyer's New Testament Commentary on Matthew 16'''</ref> Besides, as I pointed out elsewhere Christ the living stone and rock of our salvation is in Peter the rock and in all of the twelve foundations of the new Jerusalem and in all the living stones built into the temple of the Lord, the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, with himself and them as the foundation on which he built his church. So there is no contradiction in the truth that Christ in Peter built the church on himself in Peter the rock, as he explicitly stated. We and he are one Body of Christ. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:57, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>Peter and the whole of the Twelve as the beginning of the church are the foundation of the church in Christ the chief cornerstone who continues as he promised in the church to this day and unto the end of the ''aeonos'' the end of the [[Eon]] of the Church Age, "always, even unto the end of the world" KJV. Therefore, Christ has remained with the church he built on a rock, indwelling the leaders who speak the word of God and watch over our souls in every century to this day and to the end, led into all the truth by the Spirit of truth with us forever. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 13:15, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Expert linguists have pointed out that according to the structure of the Greek language the Greek vocabulary of Matthew 16:18 points to Peter, not to Christ as the rock referred to in that passage.<ref>https://biblehub.com/commentaries/meyer/matthew/16.htm '''Meyer's New Testament Commentary on Matthew 16'''</ref> Besides, as I pointed out elsewhere Christ the living stone and rock of our salvation is in Peter the rock and in all of the twelve foundations of the new Jerusalem and in all the living stones built into the temple of the Lord, the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, with himself and them as the foundation on which he built his church. So there is no contradiction in the truth that Christ in Peter built the church on himself in Peter the rock, as he explicitly stated. We and he are one Body of Christ. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 12:57, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>Peter and the whole of the Twelve as the beginning of the church are the foundation of the church in Christ the chief cornerstone who continues as he promised in the church to this day and unto the end of the ''aeonos'' the end of the [[Eon]] of the Church Age, "always, even unto the end of the world" KJV. Therefore, Christ has remained with the church he built on a rock, indwelling the leaders who speak the word of God and watch over our souls in every century to this day and to the end, led into all the truth by the Spirit of truth with us forever. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 13:15, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>Peter and the whole of the Twelve as the beginning of the church are the foundation of the church in Christ the chief cornerstone who continues as he promised in the church to this day and unto the end of the ''aeonos'' the end of the [[Eon]] of the Church Age, "always, even unto the end of the world" KJV. Therefore, Christ has remained with the church he built on a rock, indwelling the leaders who speak the word of God and watch over our souls in every century to this day and to the end, led into all the truth by the Spirit of truth with us forever. Therefore the doctrine of grace they teach must be the truth, because of the promise of Christ and the established authority of the Church as instituted by God, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist, including the authority of the Church, have been instituted by God, and whoever resists will incur judgement (Romans 13:1-2; Hebrews 13:17; 1 Peter 2:13-17; 5:5-6). --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 13:15, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

 

::::::::Still riding your Matthew 16:18 hobby horse? You're spinning your wheels. You need to begin defending where catechism conflicts and nullifies scripture to gain any traction. You're just spamming re-cycled junk you already posted in the Magisterium and Authority Forever debates and elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 13:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::::Still riding your Matthew 16:18 hobby horse? You're spinning your wheels. You need to begin defending where catechism conflicts and nullifies scripture to gain any traction. You're just spamming re-cycled junk you already posted in the Magisterium and Authority Forever debates and elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 13:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)