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:::::::*'''CCC1 1471''' - "remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt '''has already been forgiven''', which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under '''certain prescribed conditions''' through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.' 'An indulgence is '''partial or plenary''' according as it removes '''either part or all''' of the temporal punishment due to sin.' The faithful can gain indulgences '''for themselves or''' apply them '''to the dead'''."

:::::::*'''CCC1 1471''' - "remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt '''has already been forgiven''', which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under '''certain prescribed conditions''' through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints.' 'An indulgence is '''partial or plenary''' according as it removes '''either part or all''' of the temporal punishment due to sin.' The faithful can gain indulgences '''for themselves or''' apply them '''to the dead'''."

:::::::That looks more like the language of a shyster lawyer than the God-breathed inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For my money, I'll stick with God's word, and I'm not really interested in an interpretation or trying to understand what that gobbledygook supposedly means. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 19:41, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::That looks more like the language of a shyster lawyer than the God-breathed inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For my money, I'll stick with God's word, and I'm not really interested in an interpretation or trying to understand what that gobbledygook supposedly means. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 19:41, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::::'''That's how it seems to you, insults included.''' <br> Tell us, what is your guarantee that '''your own''' repetitive "gobbledygook" interpretations of God's word is the truth and not a deception of the devil instead leading you astray by the word of God? The Bible warns that people have deviated from the truth through believing in their own opinion about the scriptures. Some to their own destruction being convinced they were right, but they weren't. All of them quoting the Bible. Simon bet his money on what he supposed was perfectly all right and he was condemned Acts 8:9-24. <br> I'm now referencing the word of God about properly interpreting the word of God according to the word of God: <br> 1 John 2:18b-19a "''many antichrists have come...They '''went out''' from us, but they were not of us''"<br>2 Peter 3:15-18 "''Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him...in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be '''carried away''' with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.''" <br> 2 Peter 1:20–2:1 "''First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies''" <br> Hebrews 13:8-9a "''Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. Do not be led away by divers and strange doctrines''" <br> Hebrews 13:17 "''Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account''" <br> 1 Timothy 1:6-7 "''Certain persons by swerving from these have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 11:13 "''For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 4:2 "''We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 2:17 "''For we are not like so many, peddlers of God's word; but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 10:12 "''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 6:12 "'''''All things are lawful for me,''' but not all things are helpful. 'All things are lawful for me,' but I will not be enslaved by anything.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 3:18 "''Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.''" <br> Acts 20:30 "''And from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to '''draw away''' the disciples after them''" <br> Mark 12:24 "''Jesus said to them, 'Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God?''<nowiki>'</nowiki> " <br> Proverbs 14:12 "''There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.''" <br> Proverbs 3:5b "''do not lean on your own understanding.''" <br> "For my money" I'll stick to God's word in the infallible promises of Christ himself about the church he built on a rock, himself with us always to the end of the world, the Spirit of truth with us for ever leading us into all the truth, commanding us to obey our leaders who speak the word of God in the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, having given himself up for her that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, as a temple and dwelling place of God in the Spirit, built of living stones to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God in the Spirit, and its warning about those who go out from us and teach a different gospel than what they had received by twisting the scriptures. <br> --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:50, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::::'''That's how it seems to you, insults included.''' <br> Tell us, what is your guarantee that '''your own''' repetitive "gobbledygook" interpretations of God's word is the truth and not a deception of the devil instead leading you astray by the word of God? The Bible warns that people have deviated from the truth through believing in their own opinion about the scriptures. Some to their own destruction being convinced they were right, but they weren't. All of them quoting the Bible. Simon bet his money on what he supposed was perfectly all right and he was condemned Acts 8:9-24. <br> I stand firmly trusting in the promises of Christ my Lord and Savior. <br> I'm now referencing the word of God about properly interpreting the word of God according to the word of God: <br> 1 John 2:18b-19a "''many antichrists have come...They '''went out''' from us, but they were not of us''"<br>2 Peter 3:15-18 "''Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him...in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be '''carried away''' with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.''" <br> 2 Peter 1:20–2:1 "''First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies''" <br> Hebrews 13:8-9a "''Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. Do not be led away by divers and strange doctrines''" <br> Hebrews 13:17 "''Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account''" <br> 1 Timothy 1:6-7 "''Certain persons by swerving from these have wandered away into vain discussion, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 11:13 "''For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 4:2 "''We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.''" <br> 2 Corinthians 2:17 "''For we are not like so many, peddlers of God's word; but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 10:12 "''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 6:12 "'''''All things are lawful for me,''' but not all things are helpful. 'All things are lawful for me,' but I will not be enslaved by anything.''" <br> 1 Corinthians 3:18 "''Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.''" <br> Acts 20:30 "''And from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to '''draw away''' the disciples after them''" <br> Mark 12:24 "''Jesus said to them, 'Is not this why you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God?''<nowiki>'</nowiki> " <br> Proverbs 14:12 "''There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.''" <br> Proverbs 3:5b "''do not lean on your own understanding.''" <br> "For my money" I'll stick to God's word in the infallible promises of Christ himself about the church he built on a rock, himself with us always to the end of the world, the Spirit of truth with us for ever leading us into all the truth, commanding us to obey our leaders who speak the word of God in the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, having given himself up for her that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, as a temple and dwelling place of God in the Spirit, built of living stones to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God in the Spirit, and its warning about those who go out from us and teach a different gospel than what they had received by twisting the scriptures. <br> --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:50, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::(ec) What a bunch of nonsense. In one breathe you say the catechism is the word of God. In the next breathe you say the church is not built upon the Rock of Christ. Sheesh, talk about ''divers and strange doctrines'', that's exactly what that catechism is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 00:18, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::(ec) What a bunch of nonsense. In one breathe you say the catechism is the word of God. In the next breathe you say the church is not built upon the Rock of Christ. Sheesh, talk about ''divers and strange doctrines'', that's exactly what that catechism is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 00:18, 31 August 2020 (EDT)